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Fergie aims for first touchline ban of the season
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by ResurrectionRooney Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:30 pm
Spot on, well said Fergie. Very disappointed in the BBC bolderizing his words though, that's not the sort of accurate reporting I expect from the most reputable news organisation in the world.
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I look forward to more of this on MOTD this year. 
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by ResurrectionRooney Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:33 pm
Here is an article which reports fully what he said, and puts it into context
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/26/sir-alex-ferguson-manchester-united?CMP=twt_gu
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/26/sir-alex-ferguson-manchester-united?CMP=twt_gu
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I don't think it was 'spot on' the way he went about it. Regardless of being right or wrong, he shouldn't have sworn in the way that he did, it just gives people easy headlines and gives them easy grounds to punish him. He should show more nous and either say it in a less provocative way or not say it at all.
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fergie will get away wiv it as usual 
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by ResurrectionRooney Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:41 pm
Why shouldn't he have sworn? On what grounds can they punish him? You're right, it does give people easy headlines though, it draws attention to the way we are victimised by the Football Association. Kenny Dalglish wrote a long, civil article about how we are mistreated, and it got almost no coverage, Ferguson uses less than 10 words and it's at the top of the news.
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by ResurrectionRooney Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:41 pm
Walcott wrote:fergie will get away wiv it as usual
Ferguson is punished more than any other manager.
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Just like he got away with it last year then.Walcott wrote:fergie will get away wiv it as usual
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Here we go again
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by ShakerMatty Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:47 pm
Pilkz wrote:Here we go again
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by coolhead33 Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:48 pm
Attention whore. 
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:Why shouldn't he have sworn? On what grounds can they punish him? You're right, it does give people easy headlines though, it draws attention to the way we are victimised by the Football Association. Kenny Dalglish wrote a long, civil article about how we are mistreated, and it got almost no coverage, Ferguson uses less than 10 words and it's at the top of the news.
I don't know if there are any grounds, but I'm just saying that swearing makes it easier for them to pinpoint something wrong with what he's said. Also I'd imagine the language will get more focus than his actual point now, even if it probably will get him more headlines. He could have just replaced the word shit with something less vulgar but still negative and I imagine it still would have got a lot of coverage.
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by ResurrectionRooney Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:53 pm
coolhead33 wrote:Attention whore.
If you were famous, and the police were coming round to your house and arresting you for minor incidents and giving you more punishments than anyone else, wouldn't you draw attention to it?
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by ShakerMatty Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:55 pm
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by ResurrectionRooney Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:57 pm
Zzonked wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Why shouldn't he have sworn? On what grounds can they punish him? You're right, it does give people easy headlines though, it draws attention to the way we are victimised by the Football Association. Kenny Dalglish wrote a long, civil article about how we are mistreated, and it got almost no coverage, Ferguson uses less than 10 words and it's at the top of the news.
I don't know if there are any grounds, but I'm just saying that swearing makes it easier for them to pinpoint something wrong with what he's said. Also I'd imagine the language will get more focus than his actual point now, even if it probably will get him more headlines. He could have just replaced the word shit with something less vulgar but still negative and I imagine it still would have got a lot of coverage.
It wouldn't, it just be another line in a press conference. You know that the FA mistreats us because we're the most high profile club, I think everyone knows it, we always get the most severe bans for our players (Cantona & Ferdinand), Ferguson always get punished, always gets banned, he even got charged for saying Howard Webb is a good referee. When has any other manager got a 5 match ban?
It needs to have attention drawn to it, and if this is the only way then this is the only way. If Liverpool's greatest legend, their second greatest player ever and their current manager, writing a long article about it doesn't get any attention, why the hell would Ferguson saying 'The FA treat us badly' get attention?
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by coolhead33 Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:58 pm
We knew the first time he drew attention to it. The teams all follow the same rules in the Premier League and you don't see many other managers telling the FA to fuck off every time the media are nearby do you?ResurrectionRooney wrote:coolhead33 wrote:Attention whore.
If you were famous, and the police were coming round to your house and arresting you for minor incidents and giving you more punishments than anyone else, wouldn't you draw attention to it?
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by ResurrectionRooney Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:04 pm
coolhead33 wrote:We knew the first time he drew attention to it. The teams all follow the same rules in the Premier League and you don't see many other managers telling the FA to fuck off every time the media are nearby do you?ResurrectionRooney wrote:coolhead33 wrote:Attention whore.
If you were famous, and the police were coming round to your house and arresting you for minor incidents and giving you more punishments than anyone else, wouldn't you draw attention to it?
No you don't, because the other managers have no reason to. When they do though, they don't get punished, Rafael Benitez in 2009 had a big rant about how the authorities were working against him, treating him unfairly etc. and he wasn't punished.
The teams don't all follow the same rules, that's crystal clear. Other footballers are allowed to swear as much as they like, but when Rooney does it he is hit with a 2 match ban that ultimately cost us the Double. When Adrian Mutu is found guilty of taking drugs, he receives a 7 month ban, when a Manchester City player misses a test he receives a fine, when a Man Utd player misses a test he is hit with an 8 month ban. When Carragher throws a coin at spectators, 3 match ban, Cantona attacks a spectator and he is banned for several months. Manchester United are the victims of the FA targeting the most high profile club.
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by Zzonked Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:05 pm
ResurrectionRooney wrote:Zzonked wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Why shouldn't he have sworn? On what grounds can they punish him? You're right, it does give people easy headlines though, it draws attention to the way we are victimised by the Football Association. Kenny Dalglish wrote a long, civil article about how we are mistreated, and it got almost no coverage, Ferguson uses less than 10 words and it's at the top of the news.
I don't know if there are any grounds, but I'm just saying that swearing makes it easier for them to pinpoint something wrong with what he's said. Also I'd imagine the language will get more focus than his actual point now, even if it probably will get him more headlines. He could have just replaced the word shit with something less vulgar but still negative and I imagine it still would have got a lot of coverage.
It wouldn't, it just be another line in a press conference. You know that the FA mistreats us because we're the most high profile club, I think everyone knows it, we always get the most severe bans for our players (Cantona & Ferdinand), Ferguson always get punished, always gets banned, he even got charged for saying Howard Webb is a good referee. When has any other manager got a 5 match ban?
It needs to have attention drawn to it, and if this is the only way then this is the only way. If Liverpool's greatest legend, their second greatest player ever and their current manager, writing a long article about it doesn't get any attention, why the hell would Ferguson saying 'The FA treat us badly' get attention?
If everyone knows it why does it need to have attention drawn to it? Bit contradictory between those two paragraphs.
I genuinely think it would have still got a lot of attention without shit in it. If he'd said 'The FA treat us badly' or give us no respect or whatever, I still think it would have been in papers. The difference is, it would have actually been more focused on his point rather than the fact that grumpy old Fergie is swearing again. The reason Dalglish didn't get headlines is probably partially because he isn't part of United, so his opinion is less sought after than someone so directly involved with the club. Plus, an article isn't the same as a press conference. Articles are generally written for one specific paper and tend to stay in that paper. Press conferences give headlines to all the media which are present.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:Zzonked wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Why shouldn't he have sworn? On what grounds can they punish him? You're right, it does give people easy headlines though, it draws attention to the way we are victimised by the Football Association. Kenny Dalglish wrote a long, civil article about how we are mistreated, and it got almost no coverage, Ferguson uses less than 10 words and it's at the top of the news.
I don't know if there are any grounds, but I'm just saying that swearing makes it easier for them to pinpoint something wrong with what he's said. Also I'd imagine the language will get more focus than his actual point now, even if it probably will get him more headlines. He could have just replaced the word shit with something less vulgar but still negative and I imagine it still would have got a lot of coverage.
It wouldn't, it just be another line in a press conference. You know that the FA mistreats us because we're the most high profile club, I think everyone knows it, we always get the most severe bans for our players (Cantona & Ferdinand), Ferguson always get punished, always gets banned, he even got charged for saying Howard Webb is a good referee. When has any other manager got a 5 match ban?
It needs to have attention drawn to it, and if this is the only way then this is the only way. If Liverpool's greatest legend, their second greatest player ever and their current manager, writing a long article about it doesn't get any attention, why the hell would Ferguson saying 'The FA treat us badly' get attention?
Liverpool's greatest player, not our 2nd greatest player. And Michael Owen was not Liverpool's greatest player, he was top class for Liverpool but he was not the greatest, so dont come out with that bullshit again.
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by ResurrectionRooney Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:09 pm
Zzonked wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Zzonked wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Why shouldn't he have sworn? On what grounds can they punish him? You're right, it does give people easy headlines though, it draws attention to the way we are victimised by the Football Association. Kenny Dalglish wrote a long, civil article about how we are mistreated, and it got almost no coverage, Ferguson uses less than 10 words and it's at the top of the news.
I don't know if there are any grounds, but I'm just saying that swearing makes it easier for them to pinpoint something wrong with what he's said. Also I'd imagine the language will get more focus than his actual point now, even if it probably will get him more headlines. He could have just replaced the word shit with something less vulgar but still negative and I imagine it still would have got a lot of coverage.
It wouldn't, it just be another line in a press conference. You know that the FA mistreats us because we're the most high profile club, I think everyone knows it, we always get the most severe bans for our players (Cantona & Ferdinand), Ferguson always get punished, always gets banned, he even got charged for saying Howard Webb is a good referee. When has any other manager got a 5 match ban?
It needs to have attention drawn to it, and if this is the only way then this is the only way. If Liverpool's greatest legend, their second greatest player ever and their current manager, writing a long article about it doesn't get any attention, why the hell would Ferguson saying 'The FA treat us badly' get attention?
If everyone knows it why does it need to have attention drawn to it? Bit contradictory between those two paragraphs.
I genuinely think it would have still got a lot of attention without shit in it. If he'd said 'The FA treat us badly' or give us no respect or whatever, I still think it would have been in papers. The difference is, it would have actually been more focused on his point rather than the fact that grumpy old Fergie is swearing again. The reason Dalglish didn't get headlines is probably partially because he isn't part of United, so his opinion is less sought after than someone so directly involved with the club. Plus, an article isn't the same as a press conference. Articles are generally written for one specific paper and tend to stay in that paper. Press conferences give headlines to all the media which are present.
Because people brush it under the carpet.
The Liverpool manager coming out and saying United are mistreated is far more significant that Ferguson saying we are treated like shit by the FA - you'd expect United employees to say it, but Liverpool employees doing it is a big surprise, but it gets far less attention. Ferguson has said before that the FA treat us badly and he's got hardly any attention for it, if this is what he has to do then this is what he should do.
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by ResurrectionRooney Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:10 pm
Alan wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Zzonked wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Why shouldn't he have sworn? On what grounds can they punish him? You're right, it does give people easy headlines though, it draws attention to the way we are victimised by the Football Association. Kenny Dalglish wrote a long, civil article about how we are mistreated, and it got almost no coverage, Ferguson uses less than 10 words and it's at the top of the news.
I don't know if there are any grounds, but I'm just saying that swearing makes it easier for them to pinpoint something wrong with what he's said. Also I'd imagine the language will get more focus than his actual point now, even if it probably will get him more headlines. He could have just replaced the word shit with something less vulgar but still negative and I imagine it still would have got a lot of coverage.
It wouldn't, it just be another line in a press conference. You know that the FA mistreats us because we're the most high profile club, I think everyone knows it, we always get the most severe bans for our players (Cantona & Ferdinand), Ferguson always get punished, always gets banned, he even got charged for saying Howard Webb is a good referee. When has any other manager got a 5 match ban?
It needs to have attention drawn to it, and if this is the only way then this is the only way. If Liverpool's greatest legend, their second greatest player ever and their current manager, writing a long article about it doesn't get any attention, why the hell would Ferguson saying 'The FA treat us badly' get attention?
Liverpool's greatest player, not our 2nd greatest player. And Michael Owen was not Liverpool's greatest player, he was top class for Liverpool but he was not the greatest, so dont come out with that bullshit again.
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by moscowmadeit3 Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:11 pm
Don't forget Craig Bellamy hitting our fan and getting no punishment 
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Does not make him Liverpool's greatest player, as ive said Michael Owen was top class for Liverpool and i personally with never forget what he did for Liverpool fooball club and all his goals he scored. But he was not Liverpool's greatest player, I mean Kevin Keegan won it twice when at Hamburg and he was also a Liverpool player. So does that mean because he won that, he is one of Manchester United's greatest players.ResurrectionRooney wrote:Alan wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Zzonked wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Why shouldn't he have sworn? On what grounds can they punish him? You're right, it does give people easy headlines though, it draws attention to the way we are victimised by the Football Association. Kenny Dalglish wrote a long, civil article about how we are mistreated, and it got almost no coverage, Ferguson uses less than 10 words and it's at the top of the news.
I don't know if there are any grounds, but I'm just saying that swearing makes it easier for them to pinpoint something wrong with what he's said. Also I'd imagine the language will get more focus than his actual point now, even if it probably will get him more headlines. He could have just replaced the word shit with something less vulgar but still negative and I imagine it still would have got a lot of coverage.
It wouldn't, it just be another line in a press conference. You know that the FA mistreats us because we're the most high profile club, I think everyone knows it, we always get the most severe bans for our players (Cantona & Ferdinand), Ferguson always get punished, always gets banned, he even got charged for saying Howard Webb is a good referee. When has any other manager got a 5 match ban?
It needs to have attention drawn to it, and if this is the only way then this is the only way. If Liverpool's greatest legend, their second greatest player ever and their current manager, writing a long article about it doesn't get any attention, why the hell would Ferguson saying 'The FA treat us badly' get attention?
Liverpool's greatest player, not our 2nd greatest player. And Michael Owen was not Liverpool's greatest player, he was top class for Liverpool but he was not the greatest, so dont come out with that bullshit again.
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by ResurrectionRooney Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:15 pm
No he wasn't, he was a Hamburg player, lets not turn this thread into another edition of you fighting against reality.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:No he wasn't, he was a Hamburg player, lets not turn this thread into another edition of you fighting against reality.
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by Zzonked Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:21 pm
ResurrectionRooney wrote:Zzonked wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Zzonked wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Why shouldn't he have sworn? On what grounds can they punish him? You're right, it does give people easy headlines though, it draws attention to the way we are victimised by the Football Association. Kenny Dalglish wrote a long, civil article about how we are mistreated, and it got almost no coverage, Ferguson uses less than 10 words and it's at the top of the news.
I don't know if there are any grounds, but I'm just saying that swearing makes it easier for them to pinpoint something wrong with what he's said. Also I'd imagine the language will get more focus than his actual point now, even if it probably will get him more headlines. He could have just replaced the word shit with something less vulgar but still negative and I imagine it still would have got a lot of coverage.
It wouldn't, it just be another line in a press conference. You know that the FA mistreats us because we're the most high profile club, I think everyone knows it, we always get the most severe bans for our players (Cantona & Ferdinand), Ferguson always get punished, always gets banned, he even got charged for saying Howard Webb is a good referee. When has any other manager got a 5 match ban?
It needs to have attention drawn to it, and if this is the only way then this is the only way. If Liverpool's greatest legend, their second greatest player ever and their current manager, writing a long article about it doesn't get any attention, why the hell would Ferguson saying 'The FA treat us badly' get attention?
If everyone knows it why does it need to have attention drawn to it? Bit contradictory between those two paragraphs.
I genuinely think it would have still got a lot of attention without shit in it. If he'd said 'The FA treat us badly' or give us no respect or whatever, I still think it would have been in papers. The difference is, it would have actually been more focused on his point rather than the fact that grumpy old Fergie is swearing again. The reason Dalglish didn't get headlines is probably partially because he isn't part of United, so his opinion is less sought after than someone so directly involved with the club. Plus, an article isn't the same as a press conference. Articles are generally written for one specific paper and tend to stay in that paper. Press conferences give headlines to all the media which are present.
Because people brush it under the carpet.
The Liverpool manager coming out and saying United are mistreated is far more significant that Ferguson saying we are treated like shit by the FA - you'd expect United employees to say it, but Liverpool employees doing it is a big surprise, but it gets far less attention. Ferguson has said before that the FA treat us badly and he's got hardly any attention for it, if this is what he has to do then this is what he should do.
If people already understand, why does it need further attention? Clearly people get it, they just don't care, so this will be no different if that's true. Plus, if legitimate voices of this concern are written off, this one will be too, especially because his actual point isn't even the focal point of what he said, the word 'shit' is.
As I've already said an article isn't the same thing. Lots of people write articles but they only get attention from the paper they're published in. If Dalglish had said it in a press conference then it might have been different. A lot of this discussion seems anecdotal to be honest.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:No he wasn't, he was a Hamburg player, lets not turn this thread into another edition of you fighting against reality.
So with your so called reality, you are saying Michael Owen was better than Eric Cantona, Ryan Giggs, and Paul Scholes, and is one of the greatest players to have ever played in European football.
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Re: Fergie aims for first touchline ban of the season
by David De Great Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:41 pm
Fergies got to the point now where he doesnt give a shit about touchline bans 
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