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    Post by JK Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:41 am

    Muhkoo wrote:A little early but then you look at the latest results and it seems reasonable. PSV Icon Cocu takes over along with Ernest Faber.

    Hopefully it won't help them Eredivise 11/12 Thread - Page 4 601554

    I'm not really keen on throwing managers out in the middle of a season. It doesn't do any good, most of the time. Worked reasonably for Frank De Boer last season, though. Let's hope it will not go the same way with PSV. I do see similarities in it, though. Philip Cocu is someone the group surely looks up to and who has a very good understanding of football. He's the assistant-manager for the NT aswell.

    Jelavić7|EFC wrote:Brett Holman going to Aston Villa at this end of his contract, he any good?

    He has a real drive in him. He wants to succeed and works very hard for his team. He shows up with the occasional goal and assist. He was the most productive winger for a while in the league.

    He's not a player who will suddenly revive Aston Villa and get them back to the sub-top, though. He's 27/28 now and he's found his level. He won't succeed at a higher level, althoug he's a late bloomer.
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    Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:45 am

    JK wrote:
    Jelavić7|EFC wrote:Brett Holman going to Aston Villa at this end of his contract, he any good?

    He has a real drive in him. He wants to succeed and works very hard for his team. He shows up with the occasional goal and assist. He was the most productive winger for a while in the league.

    He's not a player who will suddenly revive Aston Villa and get them back to the sub-top, though. He's 27/28 now and he's found his level. He won't succeed at a higher level, althoug he's a late bloomer.

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    Post by Muhkoo Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:54 am

    JK wrote:
    Muhkoo wrote:A little early but then you look at the latest results and it seems reasonable. PSV Icon Cocu takes over along with Ernest Faber.

    Hopefully it won't help them Eredivise 11/12 Thread - Page 4 601554

    I'm not really keen on throwing managers out in the middle of a season. It doesn't do any good, most of the time. Worked reasonably for Frank De Boer last season, though. Let's hope it will not go the same way with PSV. I do see similarities in it, though. Philip Cocu is someone the group surely looks up to and who has a very good understanding of football. He's the assistant-manager for the NT aswell.

    I agree, coaches need time but PSV needs a jump now which is something a change can give, they spend a lot of money to be the title favorites this season and they've pretty much thrown that in the other direction the last few games, with some big losses, despite easy results in the EL round of 32 and the win against diminished Feyenoord team. That said i hope that the change won't work. And that Heerenveen sends them further down a spiral in the tough week to come seeing as they face Valencia, Heerenveen, Heerenveen & Ajax over the course of 10 days.


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    Christian Eriksen has played every game for his teams this season expect a 4-2 cup win over Roda JC(which was followed by his best performance of the season), including National team games. The only Ajax player that has the same amount of appearances in the league is Vermeer, but he hasn't played in the cup or on a national team(A lot of keepers would have to fall ill/die for that to happen, van der sar might come back if Vermeer was the next in line )
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    Post by Muhkoo Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:40 am

    Biggest realistic transfer target at Ajax, Jan Vertonghen was named man of the match by Eredivise after the match against RKC on Sunday, several top BPL teams have looked at him and reportedly he is rumored to Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City, Manchester United, Newcastle & Tottenham.

    Personally i believe he would want to pick a club that would let him play as he does, im not sure that the Manchester clubs would be so happy to allow one of their CB's to randomly attack during the match, that stuff fits well at Arsenal and possibly Tottenham, while Chelsea has David Luiz that likes to do that they would maybe want to fit him at a fullback position since he can't really defend. I am not sure about Newcastle or if they even have a tactic.

    There is also the possibility that one of these clubs can use Vertonghen in another position, as when he plays for his national team the CB spots have been taken by Kompany and Vermalen (I don't get it) while the Ajax defenders often has been put on the wings or as a defensive midfielder as he is also excellent at reading the game and making interceptions a DM position would allow him to join attacks more often than being in the defensive line normally would.

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    Post by Weather130 Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:27 am

    Is their an easy way to explain the complex promotion/relegation playoff involving the Eredivisie and Eerste Divisie? It makes no sense to me that a team could finish midtable in the Eerste Divisie and still get promoted.

    What happen in the Eerste Divisie last year to cause so many teams to have "points deducted for unknown reasons?"
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    Post by Muhkoo Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:47 am

    Weather130 wrote:Is their an easy way to explain the complex promotion/relegation playoff involving the Eredivisie and Eerste Divisie? It makes no sense to me that a team could finish midtable in the Eerste Divisie and still get promoted.

    What happen in the Eerste Divisie last year to cause so many teams to have "points deducted for unknown reasons?"

    Honestly i have no idea, i have never taken any kind of interest in that league, i know that a lot of dutch people hate the qualification tournament just as the EL playoff between places 4-7 in the top league. In theory a club that is just above relegation could be promoted if they can edge out one of the top teams or indeed the 2 teams from the Eredivise that are playing in the tournament, that is unlikely though.

    The best idea of an explanation would be looking here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eerste_Divisie

    about the point reductions, i also have no clue, the only notice of the league i took last season was RKC because they had star man and Ajax target Derk Boerrigter but they won and got up at the expense of Willem II
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    Post by Weather130 Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:42 pm

    Muhkoo wrote:
    Weather130 wrote:Is their an easy way to explain the complex promotion/relegation playoff involving the Eredivisie and Eerste Divisie? It makes no sense to me that a team could finish midtable in the Eerste Divisie and still get promoted.

    What happen in the Eerste Divisie last year to cause so many teams to have "points deducted for unknown reasons?"

    Honestly i have no idea, i have never taken any kind of interest in that league, i know that a lot of dutch people hate the qualification tournament just as the EL playoff between places 4-7 in the top league. In theory a club that is just above relegation could be promoted if they can edge out one of the top teams or indeed the 2 teams from the Eredivise that are playing in the tournament, that is unlikely though.

    The best idea of an explanation would be looking here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eerste_Divisie

    about the point reductions, i also have no clue, the only notice of the league i took last season was RKC because they had star man and Ajax target Derk Boerrigter but they won and got up at the expense of Willem II

    Yea the system seems to be really messed up so I can understand why you might no interest in following that league. All I know is that Sparta Rotterdam won a game last year 12-1 finished the league in 9th place. They did not a spot in the fancy playoff deal, but the team who finished 10th earned a spot in this playoff
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    Post by Muhkoo Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:02 am

    Eredivise dump.

    Another weekend gone and the top is closer than ever as a few surprises once again hit the top of the league.

    Starting in the bottom, Excelsior hit Roda JC to move out of the bottom infront of The Graafschap who still has a game in hand against FC Twente (85% chance that is a loss for Graafschap) Nothing else really mattered Friday & Saturday.

    Ajax opened up Sunday with a poor performance although ending up with a 0-2 win against 10 man ADO (a questionable red card but the ref was in the best position i have ever seen a ref in on the field) Jody Lukoki scored the first after being subbed on at half time and Vertonghen easily made it 2 on a good run from the back.

    After that match was on in the top with PSV - Heerenveen and FC Twente - Feyenoord. PSV hit Heerenveen with 5-1, the same result they got in 2 of their losses last year one of those against PSV in the reverse fixture. There was some nice goals in that match including 2 by Mertens, PSV simply outplayed them something they haven't been able to show in a few weeks. The teams meet again during the week in the Cup.

    FC Twente faced off with Feyenoord at home which resulted in 0-2 for Feyenoord who played it as they deserved after being cheated of a clear penalty for Guidetti.

    Last of the day a dissapointing performance from AZ resulted in 0-0 with NAC Breda who last weekend beat FC Twente with 3-1.

    This leaves the league as close as it has been in weeks and the closest top group in Europe.

    1. AZ - 53
    2. Ajax - 52
    3. PSV - 51
    4. FC Twente - 48 (1 game in hand)
    5. Feyenoord - 48
    6. Sc Heerenveen - 48



    Ajax face PSV on Sunday in what could make or break the title race as it is although there is 7 rounds left, it is not wrong to expect both teams to take 3 points in all their matches against the teams not participating in the top. There are a few matches between the top teams left to mix it up in the top.

    Also forgot to maybe mention: An ADO Den Haag section person threw a bottle of Jaegermeister at Jody Lukoki and hit him, several people also threw many lighters which made the ref stop the game as soon as it went into the +2 he had put on even though the last 2 minutes were used between the players arguing.

    Those ado people
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    Post by JK Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:36 pm

    That Vertonghen goal was pretty awesome! Shows how easy it really is to score. He's up to 7 goals this season already.
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    Post by Muhkoo Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:18 am

    JK wrote:That Vertonghen goal was pretty awesome! Shows how easy it really is to score. He's up to 7 goals this season already.

    “@Ryan_Donk18: @Jan_Vertonghen 7 Goals Nu ?” 9 incl. beker

    He keeps track, and Frank De Boer does too Razz

    Watching Aab - HB Køge and just before the match it was reported that Ronald De Boer was at the stadium, supposedly to have a look at Aab's 17 year old Lucas Andersen, who already has 22 games in the danish top league. He however is also getting a display from 19 year old striking talent Nicklas Helenius and HB Køges Lee Rochester Sørensen (Popular talent in FM & Fifa)
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    Post by Muhkoo Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:30 am

    Dug this out from page 4!

    Eredivise dump of round 27/34

    At the bottom Excelsior and Graafschap became more isolated with losses to Groningen & Feyenoord who moved into 5th with their win. ADO got a point against FC Twente which could be seen as a minor slip in the still very close title race. At the top is still AZ 1 point ahead of Ajax due to their win against RKC.
    Ajax edged out PSV Eindhoven in the ArenA with a 2-0 win including a fantastic goal by Aissati. Heerenveen managed an easy win against relegation candidates VVV but still dropped to 6th with a worse goal difference than Feyenoord.

    With the results there is still just 5 points between number 1st and 6th place. Although Az & Ajax have punched a gap to the followers. Ajax cannot decide it on their own as we already played AZ twice this season, both draws, however AZ Alkmaar still have to play PSV, Twente & Feyenoord as well as Vitesse away who now needs to fight to keep their Europa league playoff qualifcation spot. Ajax has away matches against Heerenveen and Twente as the toughest fixtures and finish away against Vitesse.

    In A1 news Ajax lost on penalties to Inter in the NextGen Series Final, a fantastic goal scored on Freekick by CB Stefano Denswil made it 1-1 just after the half time

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    Aissati's goal against PSV

    szólj hozzá: Ajax vs PSV 1:0 Aissati
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    Post by Gegilworld93 Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:00 am

    Mhmm sexy free kick by Denswil, quite impressive for a CB shifty.

    I heard good things about him, apparently the next Ajax star from their academy? (apart from Fischer of course Wink )
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    Post by Muhkoo Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:21 am

    He is seen as the direct replacement for Vertonghen, it is very likely he is in the senior squad for next season. He has many of the same qualities. I am not sure he would go into the squad right away, but i don't think they want to send him out on loan like Vertonghen was.

    Fischer didn't have a great game but none of the Ajax players really did, it was fairly average compared to the matches against Barcelona and Liverpool.
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    Post by JK Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:48 am

    It's so silly seeing an Italian team win such a competition. I hope Inter have first team plans with the youth they have atleast.
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    Post by Muhkoo Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:03 am

    JK wrote:It's so silly seeing an Italian team win such a competition. I hope Inter have first team plans with the youth they have atleast.

    The commentator on my stream said that the president is truly behind the youth squad and want Inter to do like Barcelona, but ofc the pressure is tough on a club like Inter and specially with the more than shitty season they had now.
    In the end the Ajax A1 Squad wasn't fully in the game they could easily have torn them apart after the red card (which was fair) for Inter.
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    Post by Bye_Ya Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:07 am

    PSV up 1-0 already against VVV from a Matavz goal. Smile
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    Post by Harrold Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:10 am

    Sexy Jay Jay wrote:

    Wtf. Eredivise 11/12 Thread - Page 4 70955
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    Post by Bye_Ya Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:14 am

    No, that autoplay shit is fucking annoying. Neutral
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    Post by Guest Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:15 am

    Harrold wrote:
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    Wtf. Eredivise 11/12 Thread - Page 4 70955

    rofl
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    Post by Harrold Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:16 am

    It's a little funny.
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    Post by Bye_Ya Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:19 am

    Not the autoplay part. Eredivise 11/12 Thread - Page 4 232912
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    Post by Harrold Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:21 am

    Makes me laugh everytime I come in here. Laughing
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    Post by Muhkoo Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:30 am

    You quoting that has just made me ignore you too, he posted in a bunch of topics but since only a select few post here and it stays on the same page for weeks it is very annoying.


    Edit: Adblock can remove it, but that doesn't make it ok to post shit like that outside of Chat topic. Removed the ignores but hope someone can remove it :s

    Don't think there will be any major changes in the table this weekend. Although finding it a bit odd that 4 of the 6 top teams suddenly playing Saturday now Surprised


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    Post by Bye_Ya Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:39 am

    PSV 1-0 VVV at the half. Smile
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    Post by Jordi Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:40 am

    Removed the autoplays I could see, is there more?
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    Post by Muhkoo Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:43 am

    Jordi wrote:Removed the autoplays I could see, is there more?

    Thanks, no not as far as i know in active topics, they were posted in a bunch but it really only stuck around here.


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    AZ has Vitesse away tomorrow could drop points there, else need PSV to not drop any points the rest of the season, they are almost always quality performers in Europe so would be good to have them in CL along with Ajax Razz
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    Thx Jordi. Eredivise 11/12 Thread - Page 4 631712
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    Post by Bye_Ya Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:54 am

    Muhkoo wrote:

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    AZ has Vitesse away tomorrow could drop points there, else need PSV to not drop any points the rest of the season, they are almost always quality performers in Europe so would be good to have them in CL along with Ajax Razz


    PSV has improved a lot under Cocu. Hope they continue to and maybe keep him next year. I'm liking him so far. Was a stupid decision for Rutten to announce he wouldn't be coming back and then to keep him on for the season.
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    Post by Gegilworld93 Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:56 am

    How is Wijnaldum this season? shifty

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