The Moyes Delusion

If Moyes is overrated then so is SAF.

coolhead33 wrote:If Moyes is overrated then so is SAF.

How the fuck do you come to that conclusion?

Mods editing threads again. More corruption on the Playmaker.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:I think he has done a great job at Everton with the resources he has had, and to be fair to him i would like to see him with a club with some cash to spend to see how he gets on. And after that maybe people could have a better idea of how overrated or underrated or whatever he is.

And i said he won a trophy at Preston, because i could not believe how a man of your so called perfection would have missed this.

I don't consider it a proper trophy worthy of recognition, since it's awarded for finishing 25th in a competition (the Football League) and I've never claimed to be perfect.

Ok then thats fair enough, and i did apoligize to you earlier in the Liverpool thread about something i said. It was not meant the way it sounded and was not directed at you and i also thanked you for backing me up last week.

Hows he overrated? He's never had any money to spend.

I hate the smeagel looking prick though.

RR reminds me of someone...

Ah yes.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:I think he has done a great job at Everton with the resources he has had, and to be fair to him i would like to see him with a club with some cash to spend to see how he gets on. And after that maybe people could have a better idea of how overrated or underrated or whatever he is.

And i said he won a trophy at Preston, because i could not believe how a man of your so called perfection would have missed this.

I don't consider it a proper trophy worthy of recognition, since it's awarded for finishing 25th in a competition (the Football League) and I've never claimed to be perfect.

I understand what you're saying. However it may not be a "proper" trophy to you because of theclub you support. But to the fans and the club who wins it is a massive thing. Like the Community Shield, its pointless but I'm pretty sure SAF has them down on his honours list. You can't take it away from him that he still won a league.

Mutant123 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:I think he has done a great job at Everton with the resources he has had, and to be fair to him i would like to see him with a club with some cash to spend to see how he gets on. And after that maybe people could have a better idea of how overrated or underrated or whatever he is.

And i said he won a trophy at Preston, because i could not believe how a man of your so called perfection would have missed this.

I don't consider it a proper trophy worthy of recognition, since it's awarded for finishing 25th in a competition (the Football League) and I've never claimed to be perfect.

I understand what you're saying. However it may not be a "proper" trophy to you because of theclub you support. But to the fans and the club who wins it is a massive thing. Like the Community Shield, its pointless but I'm pretty sure SAF has them down on his honours list. You can't take it away from him that he still won a league.

He didn't win any League, he won a Division of a League, that's very different. This reminds me of people saying he got Everton into the Champions League even though he didn't.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Mutant123 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:I think he has done a great job at Everton with the resources he has had, and to be fair to him i would like to see him with a club with some cash to spend to see how he gets on. And after that maybe people could have a better idea of how overrated or underrated or whatever he is.

And i said he won a trophy at Preston, because i could not believe how a man of your so called perfection would have missed this.

I don't consider it a proper trophy worthy of recognition, since it's awarded for finishing 25th in a competition (the Football League) and I've never claimed to be perfect.

I understand what you're saying. However it may not be a "proper" trophy to you because of theclub you support. But to the fans and the club who wins it is a massive thing. Like the Community Shield, its pointless but I'm pretty sure SAF has them down on his honours list. You can't take it away from him that he still won a league.

He didn't win any League, he won a Division of a League, that's very different. This reminds me of people saying he got Everton into the Champions League even though he didn't.

Either way he won the division over the other teams in it. You cannot take that away from him. He in my opinion is overrated. Wenger is slagged off all the time for not spending but still finishes top four, why isn't Moyes?

Mutant123 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Mutant123 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:I think he has done a great job at Everton with the resources he has had, and to be fair to him i would like to see him with a club with some cash to spend to see how he gets on. And after that maybe people could have a better idea of how overrated or underrated or whatever he is.

And i said he won a trophy at Preston, because i could not believe how a man of your so called perfection would have missed this.

I don't consider it a proper trophy worthy of recognition, since it's awarded for finishing 25th in a competition (the Football League) and I've never claimed to be perfect.

I understand what you're saying. However it may not be a "proper" trophy to you because of theclub you support. But to the fans and the club who wins it is a massive thing. Like the Community Shield, its pointless but I'm pretty sure SAF has them down on his honours list. You can't take it away from him that he still won a league.

He didn't win any League, he won a Division of a League, that's very different. This reminds me of people saying he got Everton into the Champions League even though he didn't.

Either way he won the division over the other teams in it. You cannot take that away from him. He in my opinion is overrated. Wenger is slagged off all the time for not spending but still finishes top four, why isn't Moyes?

I'm not taking it away from him.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

coolhead33 wrote:If Moyes is overrated then so is SAF.

How the fuck do you come to that conclusion?

By trolling.

Even though I think he's overrated (by the media mostly) if you're looking at managers in England you can do much worse than Moyes. In a football landscape where guys get fired every other day being a consistent top 6-8 side is hard to come by in any of the top 5 leagues.

Completely disagree. Moyes has done an excellent job with almost nothing to spend. If they'd had a succession of poor managers in charge, they'd be in constant relegation battles at the moment.

You talk about winning trophies, but in football today, winning the FA Cup or League Cup isn't seen as the most important thing. The board would much rather see solid league finishes each season, instead of trophies. I know Everton are historically a big club, but that doesn't mean they should be in an automatic position to win trophies.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:I think he has done a great job at Everton with the resources he has had, and to be fair to him i would like to see him with a club with some cash to spend to see how he gets on. And after that maybe people could have a better idea of how overrated or underrated or whatever he is.

And i said he won a trophy at Preston, because i could not believe how a man of your so called perfection would have missed this.

I don't consider it a proper trophy worthy of recognition, since it's awarded for finishing 25th in a competition (the Football League) and I've never claimed to be perfect.

I'm sure you've said it in one of your Youtube videos

Not over rated. I dislike him but what he has done has to be respected.

NZG wrote:Not over rated. I dislike him but what he has done has to be respected.

What has he done?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

NZG wrote:Not over rated. I dislike him but what he has done has to be respected.

What has he done?

Everton were crap. He made them less crap, almost semi-good.

NZG wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

NZG wrote:Not over rated. I dislike him but what he has done has to be respected.

What has he done?

Everton were crap. He made them less crap, almost semi-good.

3rd most successful domestic club isn't crap.

Moorzy2911 wrote:

NZG wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

NZG wrote:Not over rated. I dislike him but what he has done has to be respected.

What has he done?

Everton were crap. He made them less crap, almost semi-good.

3rd most successful domestic club isn't crap.

You were crap when he took over.

Over-rated?

Thats Fernando Torres.

People can easily forget because of Everton's big reputation as a club that when he took over, they weren't in the best of condition. Mid-table at that time would have been a great success for them. Now he's changed that and raised the bar as high as he possibly can.

If there are Everton fans out there who still aren't satisfied with what he's achieved, then he should simply walk. He should be seen as a god at Goodison Park for the stability-something that's hard to come by in a modern football world-that he's helped achieve.

Moorzy2911 wrote:

Jay wrote:To be fair to him the only reason Everton are 7-8th every season is because he is good at working with a small budget and a small squad, but I doubt he would be able to do it at a big club like United, (Everton fans I know say United is the only club he would leave for) the few times he has had decent amounts of money to spend he has signed flops, other than Fellaini.

Like who?

He signed Yakubu, who was absolutely fantastic in his first 2 seasons - should coup a couple of million back, looking for around £6M.

John Heitinga - World Cup rightback for £6M

Andy Johnson - Bought for £8 Million sold for £11.

Diniyar Bilyaletdinov - £9 paid up front, vital goals at times however yet to have a stint in his best position.

That's a £7,999,989 loss.

Mal wrote:

Moorzy2911 wrote:

Jay wrote:To be fair to him the only reason Everton are 7-8th every season is because he is good at working with a small budget and a small squad, but I doubt he would be able to do it at a big club like United, (Everton fans I know say United is the only club he would leave for) the few times he has had decent amounts of money to spend he has signed flops, other than Fellaini.

Like who?

He signed Yakubu, who was absolutely fantastic in his first 2 seasons - should coup a couple of million back, looking for around £6M.

John Heitinga - World Cup rightback for £6M

Andy Johnson - Bought for £8 Million sold for £11.

Diniyar Bilyaletdinov - £9 paid up front, vital goals at times however yet to have a stint in his best position.

That's a £7,999,989 loss.

I think he's overrated by some people but also underrated by others. If he didn't take over at the time he did then Everton would most likely have been relegated by now. He's great at getting the most out of players (most of the time) and is an expert at getting 'bargain buys' and turning them into established premiership footballers e.g. Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Jagielka, Coleman etc..... Most Evertonians would probably agree that he is a piss poor tactician though. He always constantly picks his favourites even if they're not performing and his substitutions are fucking dreadful at times. The biggest problem at Everton however is Kenwright, not Moyes. Every passing season with him in charge just plunges us deeper into mediocrity and it's just embarrassing since at this current time we can't even afford a free transfer or a loan

While I certainly don't think he's overrated, I don't think he would do a good job if he went on to become Manchester United manager whenever Fergie retires. I say that because it's been mentioned plenty of times and because both are Scottish, you could see why Fergie would see a bit of himself in Moyes.

Appointing him could end up being a good choice if it was to happen, but it's too big a gamble. If we were to go for a top manager like Mourinho if he was available, I'd be a lot more confident of seeing our success continue.

cheesy wrote:While I certainly don't think he's overrated, I don't think he would do a good job if he went on to become Manchester United manager whenever Fergie retires. I say that because it's been mentioned plenty of times and because both are Scottish, you could see why Fergie would see a bit of himself in Moyes.

Appointing him could end up being a good choice if it was to happen, but it's too big a gamble. If we were to go for a top manager like Mourinho if he was available, I'd be a lot more confident of seeing our success continue.

He would fail at Man Utd.... as I said before he is a poor tactician and this would get even more found out when he is in charge of a team challenging for the title

cheesy wrote:While I certainly don't think he's overrated, I don't think he would do a good job if he went on to become Manchester United manager whenever Fergie retires. I say that because it's been mentioned plenty of times and because both are Scottish, you could see why Fergie would see a bit of himself in Moyes.

Appointing him could end up being a good choice if it was to happen, but it's too big a gamble. If we were to go for a top manager like Mourinho if he was available, I'd be a lot more confident of seeing our success continue.

Carlos Queiroz is from Portugal, that means he's like Jose Mourinho, lets hire him!

Hitchy wrote:I think he's overrated by some people but also underrated by others. If he didn't take over at the time he did then Everton would most likely have been relegated by now. He's great at getting the most out of players (most of the time) and is an expert at getting 'bargain buys' and turning them into established premiership footballers e.g. Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Jagielka, Coleman etc..... Most Evertonians would probably agree that he is a piss poor tactician though. He always constantly picks his favourites even if they're not performing and his substitutions are fucking dreadful at times. The biggest problem at Everton however is Kenwright, not Moyes. Every passing season with him in charge just plunges us deeper into mediocrity and it's just embarrassing since at this current time we can't even afford a free transfer or a loan

Agreed.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

cheesy wrote:While I certainly don't think he's overrated, I don't think he would do a good job if he went on to become Manchester United manager whenever Fergie retires. I say that because it's been mentioned plenty of times and because both are Scottish, you could see why Fergie would see a bit of himself in Moyes.

Appointing him could end up being a good choice if it was to happen, but it's too big a gamble. If we were to go for a top manager like Mourinho if he was available, I'd be a lot more confident of seeing our success continue.

Carlos Queiroz is from Portugal, that means he's like Jose Mourinho, lets hire him!

I didn't mean it in that way at all. Maybe I should go into more depth.

Many people might say that Moyes is like Ferguson for many reasons. As far as I know, Moyes is also a Glasweigan. Both men have been respective managers of their clubs for a long time, something that's hard to come by in today's football world. Both men have also been known for their disagreements with the media at times.

I never said I agreed that Moyes was like Ferguson, so I don't know what your comment was suggesting.