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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:33 pm

    AriseForLife wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Messi and Ronaldo are far better players than Henry ever was. They both scored over 50 goals last season, Henry never even hit 40 (Ronaldo and Messi have done that as well in different seasons), Messi even added 24 assists into the mix last term, that's as many as Henry ever got. They are both superior players to Henry in almost every respect.

    Your stats don't mean shit. When did we ever rely on Henry the way Barca do with Messi? Messi possesses the ball at least 70% more than Henry did, Messi is also a play maker so obviously he would have more assists. Once again Cpt. Obvious strikes. Messi and Cristiano hit 40 in La Liga not in the PL, huge difference and completely irrelevant. In his 8 seasons in London he scored 24 or more league goals 5 out of his 8 seasons where as Cristiano scored more than 20 once in a season. No teamed feared Cristiano the way teams feared Henry. You can say they are both superior players, but with the exception of Messi (who I would never compare to Henry in the first place due to their vastly different roles), Cristiano is NOT better than Henry was in his prime. NO striker has ever accounted for the number of assists as Henry has in this generation and possibly any other. Any stat you want to rely on as a basis for saying Cristiano is superior feel free. Its only all to easy to counter.

    I think that just proves how much better Messi is, he's playing as a playmaker and he still racks up more goals than Henry does as a striker. When Henry played in the Premier League is wasn't at it's best, in fact it was probably a weaker League then than the Liga BBVA is today. Every team feared Ronaldo once he took his great leap forward in 2006, and if they didn't they regretted it, he scored 40 goals in England when the League was the strongest it's ever been, and he scored 50 goals in Spain, Henry never did either of those things despite playing in both countries.

    If everyone feared Henry so much how come he never won the Ballon d'Or or the FIFA World Player of the Year awards?
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:06 pm

    wheres Stanley Matthews
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:09 pm

    Oh that is a very difficult question but also a very good one Very Happy
    For me Zidane had it all skill, control, vision and he can even score goals and than he score some spectacular goals.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:20 pm

    Zidane has too many votes, not on Messi's level.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:22 pm

    kyro7 wrote:Zidane has too many votes, not on Messi's level.
    Zidane did it at Club and International level.Best player of all time - Page 3 706492
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    Post by The Bat-Man Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:25 pm

    Henry is the best player ever to play in the Premier League, just watching him play is the embodiment elegance, skill and flair.
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    Post by chiboygeorge Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:13 pm

    Poll/voter of Messi & CR = disgrace. Best player of all time - Page 3 58503

    Can't believe Messi is picked over Pele, Di Stefano, Cryuff, Maradona.

    Messi is an amazing player but its obviously he's not yet on level of those guys...and the poll is missing the real Ronaldo and Ronaldo Junior...(Ronaldinho)
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    Post by Jamie Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:18 pm

    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    kyro7 wrote:Zidane has too many votes, not on Messi's level.
    Zidane did it at Club and International level.Best player of all time - Page 3 706492

    Zidane was lightyears away from Messi at club level.
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    Post by chiboygeorge Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:21 pm

    Zidane was a beast in Juve, maybe not so much in Real but he was good. saying he was lightyears behind Messi is much exaggeration. It would make more sense if you said Messi was lightyears behind Messi at International level.
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    Post by Jamie Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:23 pm

    chiboygeorge wrote:Zidane was a beast in Juve, maybe not so much in Real but he was good. saying he was lightyears behind Messi is much exaggeration. It would make more sense if you said Messi was lightyears behind Messi at International level.

    It's not an exaggeration, Zidane never was as good over an entire season as Kaká or Ronaldinho nevermind Messi.

    Zidane was fantastic in world cups and big games, his consistency over a season really stops him from reaching the best player ever level though.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:28 pm

    The Bat-Man wrote:Henry is the best player ever to play in the Premier League, just watching him play is the embodiment elegance, skill and flair.

    Nah, Ronaldo achieved more than him at a time when the Premier League was a lot stronger.
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    Post by Laurencio Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:28 pm

    chiboygeorge wrote:Poll/voter of Messi & CR = disgrace. Best player of all time - Page 3 58503

    Can't believe Messi is picked over Pele, Di Stefano, Cryuff, Maradona.

    Messi is an amazing player but its obviously he's not yet on level of those guys...and the poll is missing the real Ronaldo and Ronaldo Junior...(Ronaldinho)

    In terms of ability I would say Messi is better than Maradona. Sure he hasn't really cemented his position in the same way Maradona did in 86, but I'd be hard pressed to say Diego was a better player at his peak than Messi is now. For me, looking at a purely footballing ability perspective, Messi is quite possibly the best of all time. He's like Diego only faster, better with the ball at his feet and a better goalscorer.

    If we're going to take achievements into account then it's Diego Maradona for me. Now If Messi takes Argentina to victory in the world cup in Brazil...
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:38 pm

    If we're going to take achievements into account then it's Ryan Giggs or Paolo Maldini.
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    Post by Laurencio Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:40 pm

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:If we're going to take achievements into account then it's Ryan Giggs or Paolo Maldini.

    Individual Achievements as well as ability. What Maradona did in 86 is difficult to beat.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:41 pm

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    kyro7 wrote:Zidane has too many votes, not on Messi's level.
    Zidane did it at Club and International level.Best player of all time - Page 3 706492

    Zidane was lightyears away from Messi at club level.
    Lightyears Best player of all time - Page 3 537999 And lets not forget, Messi is playing for the Greatest club side ever.study
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:43 pm

    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    kyro7 wrote:Zidane has too many votes, not on Messi's level.
    Zidane did it at Club and International level.Best player of all time - Page 3 706492

    Zidane was lightyears away from Messi at club level.
    Lightyears Best player of all time - Page 3 537999 And lets not forget, Messi is playing for the Greatest club side ever.study

    Messi is the greatest player, in the greatest club side ever. study
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    Post by Jamie Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:44 pm

    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    kyro7 wrote:Zidane has too many votes, not on Messi's level.
    Zidane did it at Club and International level.Best player of all time - Page 3 706492

    Zidane was lightyears away from Messi at club level.
    Lightyears Best player of all time - Page 3 537999 And lets not forget, Messi is playing for the Greatest club side ever.study

    Zidane was playing for the best team(on paper at least) in the world. Ronaldo, Figo, Raul, Roberto Carlos, Casillas, Hierro. All star names.
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    Post by Dean Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:47 pm

    Well, the best player I've ever seen is Lionel Messi.
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    Post by Dean Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:54 pm

    Zidane and Gerrard honourable 2nd and 3rd.
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    Post by Blazing Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:25 am

    Adam wrote:Oh that is a very difficult question but also a very good one Very Happy
    For me Zidane had it all skill, control, vision and he can even score goals and than he score some spectacular goals.

    Thank you.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:32 am

    Dean wrote:Zidane and Gerrard honourable 2nd and 3rd.

    Gerrard better than Ronaldo, Henry and Scholes?
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    Post by chiboygeorge Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:36 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:Zidane was a beast in Juve, maybe not so much in Real but he was good. saying he was lightyears behind Messi is much exaggeration. It would make more sense if you said Messi was lightyears behind Messi at International level.

    It's not an exaggeration, Zidane never was as good over an entire season as Kaká or Ronaldinho nevermind Messi.

    Zidane was fantastic in world cups and big games, his consistency over a season really stops him from reaching the best player ever level though.
    How is not an exagerration? you trying to say a player like Zidane literally had no impact in leagues...very idiotic because in Juventus Zidane was the best player in world football bar Ronaldo. Juventus where the best club around 97-00 and Zidane was part of this. Rolling Eyes

    I don't see the argument that he needs to have a 'blowout' (which is what you are suggesting) season for Zidane to be considered one of the best? he doesn't need to. It's obvious he has the ability to do so...so no argument there.

    Zidane overall achievements > Messi's

    In fact Zidane as a player > Messi (Never seen a player shit on Brazil so easily like Zidane.) Fucking Legend he is. Best player of all time - Page 3 914411
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:37 am

    I've never seen a player shit on United as easily as Messi, doesn't prove anything.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:41 am

    Dean wrote:Zidane and Gerrard honourable 2nd and 3rd.
    rofl
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    Post by Jamie Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:42 am

    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:Zidane was a beast in Juve, maybe not so much in Real but he was good. saying he was lightyears behind Messi is much exaggeration. It would make more sense if you said Messi was lightyears behind Messi at International level.

    It's not an exaggeration, Zidane never was as good over an entire season as Kaká or Ronaldinho nevermind Messi.

    Zidane was fantastic in world cups and big games, his consistency over a season really stops him from reaching the best player ever level though.
    How is not an exagerration? you trying to say a player like Zidane literally had no impact in leagues...very idiotic because in Juventus Zidane was the best player in world football bar Ronaldo. Juventus where the best club around 97-00 and Zidane was part of this. Rolling Eyes

    I don't see the argument that he needs to have a 'blowout' (which is what you are suggesting) season for Zidane to be considered one of the best? he doesn't need to. It's obvious he has the ability to do so...so no argument there.

    Zidane overall achievements > Messi's

    In fact Zidane as a player > Messi (Never seen a player shit on Brazil so easily like Zidane.) Fucking Legend he is. Best player of all time - Page 3 914411

    What? Where did I say he had no impact?

    I said he never had a season as consistently excellent as Messi has had. Yes he performed well in big games but Messi has performed to a high standard in almost every game he's played for Barcelona for 2 or 3 seasons straight now. He very rarely has bad games and is probably the most consistent player at this current time.

    If Zidane had the ability to have a "blowout" season, why did he never have one? He had good league seasons topped with excellent cup campaigns and big game performances.

    Zidane > Messi? You deserve banned for that.
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    Post by chiboygeorge Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:44 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:I've never seen a player shit on United as easily as Messi, doesn't prove anything.
    Brazil in 1998 - Best national team, no one was even close...looked unstoppable then Zidane done so.

    Brazil 2006 - Full of stars expected to smash France...Zidane said otherwise.


    Not saying it proves anything but Zidane shit on many top nations when it looked impossible, also...United isn't exactly the strongest team. Maybe if Messi shit on a more comparable defense team like Inter...then..you'd have a case. What a Face
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:45 am

    United's defence is unmatched in world football.
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    Post by BMxJoga Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:48 am

    Laughing Inter under Mourinho says otherwise.

    Heck, Liverpool under Rafa says otherwise.
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    Post by chiboygeorge Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:51 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:Zidane was a beast in Juve, maybe not so much in Real but he was good. saying he was lightyears behind Messi is much exaggeration. It would make more sense if you said Messi was lightyears behind Messi at International level.

    It's not an exaggeration, Zidane never was as good over an entire season as Kaká or Ronaldinho nevermind Messi.

    Zidane was fantastic in world cups and big games, his consistency over a season really stops him from reaching the best player ever level though.
    How is not an exagerration? you trying to say a player like Zidane literally had no impact in leagues...very idiotic because in Juventus Zidane was the best player in world football bar Ronaldo. Juventus where the best club around 97-00 and Zidane was part of this. Rolling Eyes

    I don't see the argument that he needs to have a 'blowout' (which is what you are suggesting) season for Zidane to be considered one of the best? he doesn't need to. It's obvious he has the ability to do so...so no argument there.

    Zidane overall achievements > Messi's

    In fact Zidane as a player > Messi (Never seen a player shit on Brazil so easily like Zidane.) Fucking Legend he is. Best player of all time - Page 3 914411

    What? Where did I say he had no impact?

    I said he never had a season as consistently excellent as Messi has had. Yes he performed well in big games but Messi has performed to a high standard in almost every game he's played for Barcelona for 2 or 3 seasons straight now. He very rarely has bad games and is probably the most consistent player at this current time.

    If Zidane had the ability to have a "blowout" season, why did he never have one? He had good league seasons topped with excellent cup campaigns and big game performances.

    Zidane > Messi? You deserve banned for that.
    Yes, are you stupid? Zidane had blowout seasons from 97-99...But that alone shouldn't decide if Messi is better. Laughing In 02-03 I would also like to say he had a blowout season....even winning golden fifa ball. Rolling Eyes

    Yes Zidane > Messi. Zidane won underachieving France their WC, and took them to another final...Messi? played two already no deliverance.


    If Messi can win WC...then he can take the crown...simple as that...for now...Zidane > Messi (And no, Messi is not the best player to ever play football. )
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    ResurrectionRooney wrote:United's defence is unmatched in world football.
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