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    Post by Jamie Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:32 am

    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
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    Like you were saying consistency...as like Zidane lacked quality against small teams...but I just tried to address and say it's not consistency like he couldn't play against small teams just don't care. But I wasn't agreeing. I know it's hard to understand what I just said, but fuck it. Best player of all time - Page 8 706492

    I wasn't saying he lacked quality at all, my point is that he has always had quality but didn't show it often enough. He turned on the style when he wanted to, I think that counts against him when you are comparing him to people like Messi and Ronaldo who nail teams every week.
    But it shouldn't if it's obvious he shits on teams with higher levels then why is it you strongly believe he can't against smaller teams? Laughing

    WHAT?

    I have NEVER said he CAN'T or COULDN'T perform against smaller teams. I said he DIDN'T.
    If he didn't how does he still win individual league awards? you don't win those by playing good in 10 games yeah?

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    Says otherwise.
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    Post by dena Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:34 am

    You can't use PFA awards because the people who vote for them are all dickheads.
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    Post by Ricardo Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:35 am

    Best player of all time - Page 8 Ryan-Giggs-with-his-Playe-001


    I swear this was the year he played 12 games in total Laughing
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    Post by chiboygeorge Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:36 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
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    Well that's just fantastic. However you aren't a big follower of La Liga or Serie A are you? So it kind of doesn't go against my point at all as you'd only have seen his european and international performances.

    I do think he's one of the greatest, just not on the same level as Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Messi, Ronaldo.
    You talking about Ronaldo? or c.ronaldo?

    If C. Ronaldo. Best player of all time - Page 8 70955

    Also, yes Zizou is on llevel with them, don't see the problem. One of the greatest midfielder ever to play. Simple.

    Both were more consistent than Zidane.
    Best player of all time - Page 8 58503

    Fenomeno yes, but not C. Ronaldo

    Zidane shits on him, don't you understand? many of these players see Zidane like a god.

    Zidane is more talented than Cristiano but he is not as consistent.

    When Important people in football rank Zidane among the greats....what are you arguing? Lippi, Xavi, Platini all claim Zidane to be a beast...you can't be a beast while being inconsistent. Rolling Eyes
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:36 am

    Ricardo wrote:Best player of all time - Page 8 Ryan-Giggs-with-his-Playe-001


    I swear this was the year he played 12 games in total Laughing

    28 actually.
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    Post by chiboygeorge Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:37 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:

    I wasn't saying he lacked quality at all, my point is that he has always had quality but didn't show it often enough. He turned on the style when he wanted to, I think that counts against him when you are comparing him to people like Messi and Ronaldo who nail teams every week.
    But it shouldn't if it's obvious he shits on teams with higher levels then why is it you strongly believe he can't against smaller teams? Laughing

    WHAT?

    I have NEVER said he CAN'T or COULDN'T perform against smaller teams. I said he DIDN'T.
    If he didn't how does he still win individual league awards? you don't win those by playing good in 10 games yeah?

    Best player of all time - Page 8 Gareth-Bale-PFA-Player-of-007

    Says otherwise.
    Are you fucking serious? I mean Ballon D'OR FIFA Awards, Serie A Awards, La Liga Awards not PFA piece of shit.

    Shit reply from you tbh.
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    Post by Jamie Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:37 am

    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    You talking about Ronaldo? or c.ronaldo?

    If C. Ronaldo. Best player of all time - Page 8 70955

    Also, yes Zizou is on llevel with them, don't see the problem. One of the greatest midfielder ever to play. Simple.

    Both were more consistent than Zidane.
    Best player of all time - Page 8 58503

    Fenomeno yes, but not C. Ronaldo

    Zidane shits on him, don't you understand? many of these players see Zidane like a god.

    Zidane is more talented than Cristiano but he is not as consistent.

    When Important people in football rank Zidane among the greats....what are you arguing? Lippi, Xavi, Platini all claim Zidane to be a beast...you can't be a beast while being inconsistent. Rolling Eyes

    Important people in football rank Messi as the best ever, why do you argue with that?
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    Post by Jamie Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:38 am

    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    But it shouldn't if it's obvious he shits on teams with higher levels then why is it you strongly believe he can't against smaller teams? Laughing

    WHAT?

    I have NEVER said he CAN'T or COULDN'T perform against smaller teams. I said he DIDN'T.
    If he didn't how does he still win individual league awards? you don't win those by playing good in 10 games yeah?

    Best player of all time - Page 8 Gareth-Bale-PFA-Player-of-007

    Says otherwise.
    Are you fucking serious? I mean Ballon D'OR FIFA Awards, Serie A Awards, La Liga Awards not PFA piece of shit.

    Shit reply from you tbh.

    Ok, I raise you:

    Best player of all time - Page 8 Cannavro

    He sure as fuck didn't get that for his average league performance.
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    Post by chiboygeorge Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:40 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:

    Both were more consistent than Zidane.
    Best player of all time - Page 8 58503

    Fenomeno yes, but not C. Ronaldo

    Zidane shits on him, don't you understand? many of these players see Zidane like a god.

    Zidane is more talented than Cristiano but he is not as consistent.

    When Important people in football rank Zidane among the greats....what are you arguing? Lippi, Xavi, Platini all claim Zidane to be a beast...you can't be a beast while being inconsistent. Rolling Eyes

    Important people in football rank Messi as the best ever, why do you argue with that?
    I argue it because he hasn't won or even come close to the trophy every footballer dreams of. Even Messi agrees. Best player of all time - Page 8 601554
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    Post by chiboygeorge Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:41 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:

    WHAT?

    I have NEVER said he CAN'T or COULDN'T perform against smaller teams. I said he DIDN'T.
    If he didn't how does he still win individual league awards? you don't win those by playing good in 10 games yeah?

    Best player of all time - Page 8 Gareth-Bale-PFA-Player-of-007

    Says otherwise.
    Are you fucking serious? I mean Ballon D'OR FIFA Awards, Serie A Awards, La Liga Awards not PFA piece of shit.

    Shit reply from you tbh.

    Ok, I raise you:

    Best player of all time - Page 8 Cannavro

    He sure as fuck didn't get that for his average league performance.
    Why you acting stupid? Cannavaro was the best defender in WC 06 and before that WC the best DF in Serie A. Best player of all time - Page 8 58503
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    Post by Jamie Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:41 am

    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Best player of all time - Page 8 58503

    Fenomeno yes, but not C. Ronaldo

    Zidane shits on him, don't you understand? many of these players see Zidane like a god.

    Zidane is more talented than Cristiano but he is not as consistent.

    When Important people in football rank Zidane among the greats....what are you arguing? Lippi, Xavi, Platini all claim Zidane to be a beast...you can't be a beast while being inconsistent. Rolling Eyes

    Important people in football rank Messi as the best ever, why do you argue with that?
    I argue it because he hasn't won or even come close to the trophy every footballer dreams of. Even Messi agrees. Best player of all time - Page 8 601554

    Oh right.

    So...you can't argue with the greats when you agree with them. However, if you disagree then go right ahead and argue. rofl


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    Post by Jamie Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:43 am

    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    If he didn't how does he still win individual league awards? you don't win those by playing good in 10 games yeah?

    Best player of all time - Page 8 Gareth-Bale-PFA-Player-of-007

    Says otherwise.
    Are you fucking serious? I mean Ballon D'OR FIFA Awards, Serie A Awards, La Liga Awards not PFA piece of shit.

    Shit reply from you tbh.

    Ok, I raise you:

    Best player of all time - Page 8 Cannavro

    He sure as fuck didn't get that for his average league performance.
    Why you acting stupid? Cannavaro was the best defender in WC 06 and before that WC the best DF in Serie A. Best player of all time - Page 8 58503

    My point is he won it solely for his world cup.
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    Post by chiboygeorge Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:43 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:

    Zidane is more talented than Cristiano but he is not as consistent.

    When Important people in football rank Zidane among the greats....what are you arguing? Lippi, Xavi, Platini all claim Zidane to be a beast...you can't be a beast while being inconsistent. Rolling Eyes

    Important people in football rank Messi as the best ever, why do you argue with that?
    I argue it because he hasn't won or even come close to the trophy every footballer dreams of. Even Messi agrees. Best player of all time - Page 8 601554

    Oh right.

    So...you can't argue with the greats when you agree with then. However, if you disagree then go right ahead and argue. Best player of all time - Page 8 70955
    You have no reason to argue....I have a valid reason and many important people in Football agree as well.

    Messi still below Pele and Maradona and Zidane whether you like it or not. Best player of all time - Page 8 684775
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    Post by Jamie Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:44 am

    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    When Important people in football rank Zidane among the greats....what are you arguing? Lippi, Xavi, Platini all claim Zidane to be a beast...you can't be a beast while being inconsistent. Rolling Eyes

    Important people in football rank Messi as the best ever, why do you argue with that?
    I argue it because he hasn't won or even come close to the trophy every footballer dreams of. Even Messi agrees. Best player of all time - Page 8 601554

    Oh right.

    So...you can't argue with the greats when you agree with then. However, if you disagree then go right ahead and argue. Best player of all time - Page 8 70955
    You have no reason to argue....I have a valid reason and many important people in Football agree as well.

    Messi still below Pele and Maradona and Zidane whether you like it or not. Best player of all time - Page 8 684775

    My reason is he wasn't consistent. Perfectly valid reason.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:44 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    Scott wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
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    So you are disagreeing me that he was inconsistent on what basis?

    On the basis that he's been brilliant pretty much every time I've seen him play. Always been left in awe of how he can make something difficult seem to simple/easy.

    If you went up to any top professional in today's game, and told them Zidane wasn't one of the greatest, I'm pretty sure they'd laugh in your face.

    Well that's just fantastic. However you aren't a big follower of La Liga or Serie A are you? So it kind of doesn't go against my point at all as you'd only have seen his european and international performances.

    I do think he's one of the greatest, just not on the same level as Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Messi, Ronaldo.

    I love how you accuse me of not seeing enough of Zidane, yet you include Pele in your list.

    I haven't seen enough of Pelé. I certainly wouldn't be so idiotic to argue against someone who had seen them play every week if they were to say that Pelé wasn't consistent. Although his goal record would suggest he was consistently scoring at least, if not performing.

    So you use statistics to back up your claim, however when statistics prove that someone like Downing is a good player and very consistent, you say statistics are useless?

    How convenient.
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    Post by Ricardo Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:45 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
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    I swear this was the year he played 12 games in total Laughing

    28 actually.

    OK. It was a sympathy vote with no credibility nonetheless.
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    Post by chiboygeorge Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:46 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    chiboygeorge wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:

    Best player of all time - Page 8 Gareth-Bale-PFA-Player-of-007

    Says otherwise.
    Are you fucking serious? I mean Ballon D'OR FIFA Awards, Serie A Awards, La Liga Awards not PFA piece of shit.

    Shit reply from you tbh.

    Ok, I raise you:

    Best player of all time - Page 8 Cannavro

    He sure as fuck didn't get that for his average league performance.
    Why you acting stupid? Cannavaro was the best defender in WC 06 and before that WC the best DF in Serie A. Best player of all time - Page 8 58503

    My point is he won it solely for his world cup.
    Absolutely clueless. 05/06 Juve won Serie A, guess who was the best player? yes? FABIO CANNAVARO. Then he went to WC and shit on teams...a well deserved golden ball for the man. Best player of all time - Page 8 914411
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    Post by Jamie Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:46 am

    Scott wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    Scott wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    Scott wrote:

    On the basis that he's been brilliant pretty much every time I've seen him play. Always been left in awe of how he can make something difficult seem to simple/easy.

    If you went up to any top professional in today's game, and told them Zidane wasn't one of the greatest, I'm pretty sure they'd laugh in your face.

    Well that's just fantastic. However you aren't a big follower of La Liga or Serie A are you? So it kind of doesn't go against my point at all as you'd only have seen his european and international performances.

    I do think he's one of the greatest, just not on the same level as Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Messi, Ronaldo.

    I love how you accuse me of not seeing enough of Zidane, yet you include Pele in your list.

    I haven't seen enough of Pelé. I certainly wouldn't be so idiotic to argue against someone who had seen them play every week if they were to say that Pelé wasn't consistent. Although his goal record would suggest he was consistently scoring at least, if not performing.

    So you use statistics to back up your claim, however when statistics prove that someone like Downing is a good player and very consistent, you say statistics are useless?

    How convenient.

    I'm not using them to back up my claim at all. Are you blind? I said they show he was consistently scoring. I didn't say they meant he was consistently performing.

    Also, what are these stats that show Downing is great?
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    Post by Guest Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:49 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    Scott wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    Scott wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:

    Well that's just fantastic. However you aren't a big follower of La Liga or Serie A are you? So it kind of doesn't go against my point at all as you'd only have seen his european and international performances.

    I do think he's one of the greatest, just not on the same level as Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Messi, Ronaldo.

    I love how you accuse me of not seeing enough of Zidane, yet you include Pele in your list.

    I haven't seen enough of Pelé. I certainly wouldn't be so idiotic to argue against someone who had seen them play every week if they were to say that Pelé wasn't consistent. Although his goal record would suggest he was consistently scoring at least, if not performing.

    So you use statistics to back up your claim, however when statistics prove that someone like Downing is a good player and very consistent, you say statistics are useless?

    How convenient.

    I'm not using them to back up my claim at all. Are you blind? I said they show he was consistently scoring. I didn't say they meant he was consistently performing.

    Also, what are these stats that show Downing is great?

    Well if you don't know if Pele consistently performed well, how can you include him in your list?

    I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was to do with creating goal scoring chances.
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    Post by Jamie Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:51 am

    Scott wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    Scott wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    Scott wrote:

    I love how you accuse me of not seeing enough of Zidane, yet you include Pele in your list.

    I haven't seen enough of Pelé. I certainly wouldn't be so idiotic to argue against someone who had seen them play every week if they were to say that Pelé wasn't consistent. Although his goal record would suggest he was consistently scoring at least, if not performing.

    So you use statistics to back up your claim, however when statistics prove that someone like Downing is a good player and very consistent, you say statistics are useless?

    How convenient.

    I'm not using them to back up my claim at all. Are you blind? I said they show he was consistently scoring. I didn't say they meant he was consistently performing.

    Also, what are these stats that show Downing is great?

    Well if you don't know if Pele consistently performed well, how can you include him in your list?

    I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was to do with creating goal scoring chances.

    I include him on reputation. If someone was to say to me that they seen him play week in week out and he wasn't consistent I wouldn't argue because I haven't seen him enough to know whether they are wrong.

    However you are saying I am wrong despite not watching the actual games that I have said he underperformed in. What type of logic did you apply when you thought that seeing him in the big games meant he was consistent?

    Also for what it's worth chances created statistics are absolute shit and nothing compared to goal records.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:56 am

    If you include Pele on reputation, surely you must include Zidane on reputation too?

    I have not told you which games of Zidane I have seen, so no, you're wrong. I have also not said that I've only seen him play in big games, so no, that's not my logic at all. Stop making things up. All I have said is that from what I have seen of him, he has left me in awe every single time. You're making the assumption that I've only seen the big games, I advise you not to make assumptions.

    Oh, how convenient. Statistics are only worthy if they back up your argument. Bravo.



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    Post by Jamie Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:58 am

    Scott wrote:If you include Pele on reputation, surely you must include Zidane on reputation too?

    I have not told you which games of Zidane I have seen, so no, you're wrong. I have also not said that I've only seen him play in big games, so no, that's not my logic at all. Stop making things up. All I have said is that from what I have seen of him, he has left me in awe every single time. You're making the assumption that I've only seen the big games, I advise you not to make assumptions.

    Oh, how convenient. Statistics are only worthy if they back up your argument. Bravo.




    No, because I've actually seen Zidane to know otherwise. Think of it as innocent until proven guilty - I have no reason to doubt their reputations without having seen them.

    Ok answer then - did you watch La Liga when Zidane played and did you watch Serie A when he played? I very much doubt you seen upwards of 5 Zidane league games a season and that's being generous. I have never seen you comment on anything other than Liverpool.

    Again I shall repeat myself - I did not use statistics to back up my argument.
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    Post by Trig Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:05 am

    People will always be deluded by the older generation because they are "legends of the game" but the skills that Messi and Ronaldo posses are second to none, they are already two of the best ever and people are scared to label them as that because of their ages. Face the facts, nobody can fuck with them, past or present. Simples
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    Post by Grenade Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:07 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:To be considered the best mere talent is not enough. Why should he be considered among the best if half the time he just strolled around doing absolutely fuck all.

    Performances matter more than actual talent.

    Yet you agreed with RR in the Arsenal thread when he said Pique was amongst the top 5 defenders in the world because of his talent ?
    Also kinda ironic your telling others to watch so and so league before commenting... Did you actually watch Seria A from the Cannavaro or Zidane years confused
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    Post by Guest Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:07 am

    maybe inconsistent is not the correct term

    because people have overinflate expectation whenever zidane play

    they see and remember game like against brasil both 98 and 06

    all those juventus domestic seasons and champions league runs where he won game by himself but then "failed" on the biggest games like the 2 finals that juventus lost to bvb and madrid. people use to say in those days that these were proof of inconsistency, but then he won the league as usual in madrid but also conquered europe for first time

    i do not think zidane inconsistent

    but just a victim of his own brilliance.i think football become to analytical since those times. whenever people see messi or cristiano ronaldo scoring 5 goals a match against some team every week they seem to allude to this being greater than feats of the past and expect these 2 to do it eveyr match which they often do

    but time was different and the logistics of football 10 years ago is much different today. i beleive its to easy for certain players to score today and also that teams of 10 year ago or more in every league were more level out. apparently 10 years ago pass completion rates were higher than they are today, this is because of the plastic balls becoming more and more articial. the sport develop so much in sport science and in technology of the balls and the boots that things that were require 10-20 years ago do not exist so much today. i beleive players were more technical 10 years ago then they are today, the difficulty in basic fundamental skill in current modernization of the sport do not enable enough people to appreciate certain facet of the game because doing certain things is a lot more difficult and so that certain individuals will stick out and dominate much more

    i think thats why more people will appreciate zidane over a player like cristiano ronaldo. zidane was not an athlete, he was not athletic or physically fit but he could do whatever he want with a ball, things that were more impressive then cristiano ronaldo most importantly even if he was not as fast or gifted as an athlete like ronaldo
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    Post by Guest Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:07 am

    No, I got into football properly around about 2000/01. So I didn't see Zidane for Juventus, however, I saw the majority of games he played in for Madrid. Back then, when I was in school, I followed the la Liga as well as the Premier League as a lot of my friends did too and we would usually go round to one of them's house to watch any Real Madrid/Barca/Valencia games. Since leaving school, my interest in the La Liga has died off, and I honestly could not give a flying shit about it now. Which is why I rarely talk about it.

    With regards to his performances for Juventus, I have been on several friend-based golf tournaments with my Stepdad, who organises it himself. His mates from his childhood have been doing this every summer since forever, and a group of the men who go are fully Italian and have followed Serie A all their lives. I think it was during the World Cup 2006 that Zidane was brought up in the pub after a round of golf, and the conversation went on all night. The Italian lads were harping on about just how amazing Zidane was. It started because someone criticised him for getting sent off IIRC. The Italians were incredibly defensive of him, neither of them supported Juventus either. So it wasn't biased talk.

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    Post by Jordi Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:07 am

    I dunno why you're all arguing anyway, the best player is obvs Heskey.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:08 am

    by the way

    i am not a great fan of zidane

    infact im a "laudrup>zidane" type person

    but his stature in football cannot be questioned, maybe in comparison to a few players, but certainly not questioned or labelled as "completely overrated and garbage" like someone has said here a few page ago
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    Post by Jamie Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:10 am

    grenade187 wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:To be considered the best mere talent is not enough. Why should he be considered among the best if half the time he just strolled around doing absolutely fuck all.

    Performances matter more than actual talent.

    Yet you agreed with RR in the Arsenal thread when he said Pique was amongst the top 5 defenders in the world because of his talent ?
    Also kinda ironic your telling others to watch so and so league before commenting... Did you actually watch Seria A from the Cannavaro or Zidane years confused

    I didn't agree, I said I could see his point.

    Yeah I watched Serie A, although I do not watch it anymore and I didn't watch it as much as I would watch La Liga.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:51 am

    Jamie is right about Zidane, he didn't terrorise teams every week like an Henry, a Ronaldo etc and they show up in big games too.


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