Best player of all time

Fine Shagger wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:And yet is nowhere near Messi at club level.

But still shits on Messi overall.

Club >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International

How. Many. Times. Do. I. Need. To. Say. This?

Maybe If I type it in bold it'll sink in:

2 top players X and Y will roughly play 50+ club games a season and say 7-10 internationals. X plays consistently much better, possibly the best season of any individual ever, during those 50+ games and underperforms in 7-10 internationals. Y plays below his best(still great, just not consistently) over the 50+ game period and unstoppable during the 7-10 games.

Who is better? X quite obviously.

Scott wrote: at thinking Zidane isn't one of the world's greatest. You'd be hard pressed to find a website with a top 10 players list that doesn't include Zidane. Widely regarded as one of the best.

Won a World Cup, got to another World Cup final in 2006 and won the Golden Ball for that World Cup too.

3 time Fifa world player of the year, matched only by Ronaldo.

Would Messi be winning as much if he wasn't at Barcelona? Doubt it. The fact he wins hardly anything with Argentina backs that up.

Scott wrote:What proof do you have that Zidane was not consistent? Put the Zidane of then into today's Barcelona team, he'd be winning the same trophies Messi has been winning.

Roloman4 wrote:

Scott wrote:What proof do you have that Zidane was not consistent? Put the Zidane of then into today's Barcelona team, he'd be winning the same trophies Messi has been winning.

Because of them team, not because of Zidane.

Roloman4 wrote:

Scott wrote:What proof do you have that Zidane was not consistent? Put the Zidane of then into today's Barcelona team, he'd be winning the same trophies Messi has been winning.

Because of them team, not because of Zidane.

Scott wrote:What proof do you have that Zidane was not consistent? Put the Zidane of then into today's Barcelona team, he'd be winning the same trophies Messi has been winning.

chiboygeorge wrote:Consistency?

There is a diference between not being able to play against small teams and not caring about playing against them.

Scott wrote:

Roloman4 wrote:

Scott wrote:What proof do you have that Zidane was not consistent? Put the Zidane of then into today's Barcelona team, he'd be winning the same trophies Messi has been winning.

Because of them team, not because of Zidane.

Yeah, Messi isn't the reason Barcelona are winning everything, Take him out the team, I'm sure Barcelona would still be winning everything.

Therefore it's not fair to use Messi's League achievements as an argument. As Zidane would be winning the exact same things if he were in the Barcelona team of now.

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:What proof do you have that Zidane was not consistent? Put the Zidane of then into today's Barcelona team, he'd be winning the same trophies Messi has been winning.

Why do I need proof? Just like it's well known that Zidane bossed big games it's well known he didn't play to his best a large amount of the time.

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:What proof do you have that Zidane was not consistent? Put the Zidane of then into today's Barcelona team, he'd be winning the same trophies Messi has been winning.

Why do I need proof? Just like it's well known that Zidane bossed big games it's well known he didn't play to his best a large amount of the time.

chiboygeorge wrote:Consistency?

There is a diference between not being able to play against small teams and not caring about playing against them.

Oh right. Yeah that makes it much better, absolutely fantastic attitude and one worthy of being the best ever.

Scott wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:What proof do you have that Zidane was not consistent? Put the Zidane of then into today's Barcelona team, he'd be winning the same trophies Messi has been winning.

Why do I need proof? Just like it's well known that Zidane bossed big games it's well known he didn't play to his best a large amount of the time.

No it's not. That's just a fabrication of your imagination.

Unless you can show me back up of it being said elsewhere by meaningful people.

Scott wrote:That doesn't make it right

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:What proof do you have that Zidane was not consistent? Put the Zidane of then into today's Barcelona team, he'd be winning the same trophies Messi has been winning.

Why do I need proof? Just like it's well known that Zidane bossed big games it's well known he didn't play to his best a large amount of the time.

No it's not. That's just a fabrication of your imagination.

Unless you can show me back up of it being said elsewhere by meaningful people.

Even George hasn't disagreed with it.

@ George. Attitude doesn't matter one bit. My point is whatever the reason overall consistency of performance is a very important factor when evaluating how good a player is.

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:What proof do you have that Zidane was not consistent? Put the Zidane of then into today's Barcelona team, he'd be winning the same trophies Messi has been winning.

Why do I need proof? Just like it's well known that Zidane bossed big games it's well known he didn't play to his best a large amount of the time.

No it's not. That's just a fabrication of your imagination.

Unless you can show me back up of it being said elsewhere by meaningful people.

Even George hasn't disagreed with it.

@ George. Attitude doesn't matter one bit. My point is whatever the reason overall consistency of performance is a very important factor when evaluating how good a player is.

I haven't disagreed with it? What I been doing the whole time then?

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:That doesn't make it right

So you are disagreeing me that he was inconsistent on what basis?

Fine Shagger wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Why do I need proof? Just like it's well known that Zidane bossed big games it's well known he didn't play to his best a large amount of the time.

No it's not. That's just a fabrication of your imagination.

Unless you can show me back up of it being said elsewhere by meaningful people.

Even George hasn't disagreed with it.

@ George. Attitude doesn't matter one bit. My point is whatever the reason overall consistency of performance is a very important factor when evaluating how good a player is.

I haven't disagreed with it? What I been doing the whole time then?

So why did you say he just didn't care against smaller teams if you are not excusing his undperforming?

Scott wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:That doesn't make it right

So you are disagreeing me that he was inconsistent on what basis?

On the basis that he's been brilliant pretty much every time I've seen him play. Always been left in awe of how he can make something difficult seem to simple/easy.

If you went up to any top professional in today's game, and told them Zidane wasn't one of the greatest, I'm pretty sure they'd laugh in your face.

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:

No it's not. That's just a fabrication of your imagination.

Unless you can show me back up of it being said elsewhere by meaningful people.

Even George hasn't disagreed with it.

@ George. Attitude doesn't matter one bit. My point is whatever the reason overall consistency of performance is a very important factor when evaluating how good a player is.

I haven't disagreed with it? What I been doing the whole time then?

So why did you say he just didn't care against smaller teams if you are not excusing his undperforming?

Like you were saying consistency...as like Zidane lacked quality against small teams...but I just tried to address and say it's not consistency like he couldn't play against small teams just don't care. But I wasn't agreeing. I know it's hard to understand what I just said, but fuck it.

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:That doesn't make it right

So you are disagreeing me that he was inconsistent on what basis?

On the basis that he's been brilliant pretty much every time I've seen him play. Always been left in awe of how he can make something difficult seem to simple/easy.

If you went up to any top professional in today's game, and told them Zidane wasn't one of the greatest, I'm pretty sure they'd laugh in your face.

Well that's just fantastic. However you aren't a big follower of La Liga or Serie A are you? So it kind of doesn't go against my point at all as you'd only have seen his european and international performances.

I do think he's one of the greatest, just not on the same level as Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Messi, Ronaldo.

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:That doesn't make it right

So you are disagreeing me that he was inconsistent on what basis?

On the basis that he's been brilliant pretty much every time I've seen him play. Always been left in awe of how he can make something difficult seem to simple/easy.

If you went up to any top professional in today's game, and told them Zidane wasn't one of the greatest, I'm pretty sure they'd laugh in your face.

Well that's just fantastic. However you aren't a big follower of La Liga or Serie A are you? So it kind of doesn't go against my point at all as you'd only have seen his european and international performances.

I do think he's one of the greatest, just not on the same level as Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Messi, Ronaldo.

Scott wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:That doesn't make it right

So you are disagreeing me that he was inconsistent on what basis?

On the basis that he's been brilliant pretty much every time I've seen him play. Always been left in awe of how he can make something difficult seem to simple/easy.

If you went up to any top professional in today's game, and told them Zidane wasn't one of the greatest, I'm pretty sure they'd laugh in your face.

Well that's just fantastic. However you aren't a big follower of La Liga or Serie A are you? So it kind of doesn't go against my point at all as you'd only have seen his european and international performances.

I do think he's one of the greatest, just not on the same level as Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Messi, Ronaldo.

I love how you accuse me of not seeing enough of Zidane, yet you include Pele in your list.

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:That doesn't make it right

So you are disagreeing me that he was inconsistent on what basis?

On the basis that he's been brilliant pretty much every time I've seen him play. Always been left in awe of how he can make something difficult seem to simple/easy.

If you went up to any top professional in today's game, and told them Zidane wasn't one of the greatest, I'm pretty sure they'd laugh in your face.

Well that's just fantastic. However you aren't a big follower of La Liga or Serie A are you? So it kind of doesn't go against my point at all as you'd only have seen his european and international performances.

I do think he's one of the greatest, just not on the same level as Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Messi, Ronaldo.

You talking about Ronaldo? or c.ronaldo?

If C. Ronaldo.

Also, yes Zizou is on llevel with them, don't see the problem. One of the greatest midfielder ever to play. Simple.

Fine Shagger wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Even George hasn't disagreed with it.

@ George. Attitude doesn't matter one bit. My point is whatever the reason overall consistency of performance is a very important factor when evaluating how good a player is.

I haven't disagreed with it? What I been doing the whole time then?

So why did you say he just didn't care against smaller teams if you are not excusing his undperforming?

Like you were saying consistency...as like Zidane lacked quality against small teams...but I just tried to address and say it's not consistency like he couldn't play against small teams just don't care. But I wasn't agreeing. I know it's hard to understand what I just said, but fuck it.

I wasn't saying he lacked quality at all, my point is that he has always had quality but didn't show it often enough. He turned on the style when he wanted to, I think that counts against him when you are comparing him to people like Messi and Ronaldo who nail teams every week.

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:
I haven't disagreed with it? What I been doing the whole time then?

So why did you say he just didn't care against smaller teams if you are not excusing his undperforming?

Like you were saying consistency...as like Zidane lacked quality against small teams...but I just tried to address and say it's not consistency like he couldn't play against small teams just don't care. But I wasn't agreeing. I know it's hard to understand what I just said, but fuck it.

I wasn't saying he lacked quality at all, my point is that he has always had quality but didn't show it often enough. He turned on the style when he wanted to, I think that counts against him when you are comparing him to people like Messi and Ronaldo who nail teams every week.

But it shouldn't if it's obvious he shits on teams with higher levels then why is it you strongly believe he can't against smaller teams?

Fine Shagger wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

So you are disagreeing me that he was inconsistent on what basis?

On the basis that he's been brilliant pretty much every time I've seen him play. Always been left in awe of how he can make something difficult seem to simple/easy.

If you went up to any top professional in today's game, and told them Zidane wasn't one of the greatest, I'm pretty sure they'd laugh in your face.

Well that's just fantastic. However you aren't a big follower of La Liga or Serie A are you? So it kind of doesn't go against my point at all as you'd only have seen his european and international performances.

I do think he's one of the greatest, just not on the same level as Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Messi, Ronaldo.

You talking about Ronaldo? or c.ronaldo?

If C. Ronaldo.

Also, yes Zizou is on llevel with them, don't see the problem. One of the greatest midfielder ever to play. Simple.

Both were more consistent than Zidane.

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Scott wrote:

On the basis that he's been brilliant pretty much every time I've seen him play. Always been left in awe of how he can make something difficult seem to simple/easy.

If you went up to any top professional in today's game, and told them Zidane wasn't one of the greatest, I'm pretty sure they'd laugh in your face.

Well that's just fantastic. However you aren't a big follower of La Liga or Serie A are you? So it kind of doesn't go against my point at all as you'd only have seen his european and international performances.

I do think he's one of the greatest, just not on the same level as Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Messi, Ronaldo.

You talking about Ronaldo? or c.ronaldo?

If C. Ronaldo.

Also, yes Zizou is on llevel with them, don't see the problem. One of the greatest midfielder ever to play. Simple.

Both were more consistent than Zidane.

Fenomeno yes, but not C. Ronaldo

Zidane shits on him, don't you understand? many of these players see Zidane like a god.

Fine Shagger wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

So why did you say he just didn't care against smaller teams if you are not excusing his undperforming?

Like you were saying consistency...as like Zidane lacked quality against small teams...but I just tried to address and say it's not consistency like he couldn't play against small teams just don't care. But I wasn't agreeing. I know it's hard to understand what I just said, but fuck it.

I wasn't saying he lacked quality at all, my point is that he has always had quality but didn't show it often enough. He turned on the style when he wanted to, I think that counts against him when you are comparing him to people like Messi and Ronaldo who nail teams every week.

But it shouldn't if it's obvious he shits on teams with higher levels then why is it you strongly believe he can't against smaller teams?

WHAT?

I have NEVER said he CAN'T or COULDN'T perform against smaller teams. I said he DIDN'T.