Robin Van Persie vs Luis Suarez

arsenalap11 wrote:

Dan wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

Dean wrote:You know it's funny, because people use the argument 'Oh he's only played so many times for Liverpool?' And what, did his career start in January did it? He's been playing longer than that.

He scored 49 goals in 48 games last season and that's without the fucking assists, I don't know that statistic unfortunately, but I suspect it's astonishingly high , what players can come close to that, match it or better it? I can only think of two, Messi and Ronaldo?

And in his short career he's scored 142 goals in 241 games, again, that's without even looking at assists, which I can't seem to find. That's an amazing statistic. 142 in 241.

As much of a cliche as it is, stick Messi in the Dutch league, he'll score 100. Put Van Persie in there, he can do as well as Suarez if not better.

Where is the evidence of this?

Even Ruud van Nistlerooy, one of the greatest strikers ever seen in this country, never hit more than 38 in Holland.

What? Holland back then was a much better league then it is now. Now it has gone to pot really.

What's the evidence? Watch the Dutch league, see the defending. One of our players on loan is one of the best players in there at the moment and he's only just started playing professionally.

arsenalap11 wrote:

Dean wrote:You know it's funny, because people use the argument 'Oh he's only played so many times for Liverpool?' And what, did his career start in January did it? He's been playing longer than that.

He scored 49 goals in 48 games last season and that's without the fucking assists, I don't know that statistic unfortunately, but I suspect it's astonishingly high , what players can come close to that, match it or better it? I can only think of two, Messi and Ronaldo?

And in his short career he's scored 142 goals in 241 games, again, that's without even looking at assists, which I can't seem to find. That's an amazing statistic. 142 in 241.

As much of a cliche as it is, stick Messi in the Dutch league, he'll score 100. Put Van Persie in there, he can do as well as Suarez if not better.

Fonseca wrote:

Dan wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

Dean wrote:You know it's funny, because people use the argument 'Oh he's only played so many times for Liverpool?' And what, did his career start in January did it? He's been playing longer than that.

He scored 49 goals in 48 games last season and that's without the fucking assists, I don't know that statistic unfortunately, but I suspect it's astonishingly high , what players can come close to that, match it or better it? I can only think of two, Messi and Ronaldo?

And in his short career he's scored 142 goals in 241 games, again, that's without even looking at assists, which I can't seem to find. That's an amazing statistic. 142 in 241.

As much of a cliche as it is, stick Messi in the Dutch league, he'll score 100. Put Van Persie in there, he can do as well as Suarez if not better.

Where is the evidence of this?

Even Ruud van Nistlerooy, one of the greatest strikers ever seen in this country, never hit more than 38 in Holland.

What evidence is there that Suarez is better than Van Persie? his scoring record in 2011 isn't better

Fanatic wrote:Those of you who are disagreeing at least give evidence to back up your case or even your opinion instead of posting condescending smiley's and non-constructive posts.

Movement. Tricky, both players like drifting out of their "Zone" but I'll go with Suarez as I think he is more shrewd with his movement. Hangeland will testify.

Goal Scoring. RvP. Has a better goal/game ratio than Suarez in the prem, infallible data although I think judging them next season on this aspect would be better as it's suarez' debut half season. (40 goals or something like that last season for Suarez)

Assists. suarez has a better assist/game ratio. Infallible.

Workrate. Suarez is more tenacious, applies himself more and has a stubbornly resistence when working for the team.

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

Fanatic wrote:Those of you who are disagreeing at least give evidence to back up your case or even your opinion instead of posting condescending smiley's and non-constructive posts.

Movement. Tricky, both players like drifting out of their "Zone" but I'll go with Suarez as I think he is more shrewd with his movement. Hangeland will testify.

Goal Scoring. RvP. Has a better goal/game ratio than Suarez in the prem, infallible data although I think judging them next season on this aspect would be better as it's suarez' debut half season. (40 goals or something like that last season for Suarez)

Assists. suarez has a better assist/game ratio. Infallible.

Workrate. Suarez is more tenacious, applies himself more and has a stubbornly resistence when working for the team.

No one is giving 'evidence' because its a stupid thread and only Liverpool fans are claiming he is better

Thanks kyro

Dan wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Dan wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

Dean wrote:You know it's funny, because people use the argument 'Oh he's only played so many times for Liverpool?' And what, did his career start in January did it? He's been playing longer than that.

He scored 49 goals in 48 games last season and that's without the fucking assists, I don't know that statistic unfortunately, but I suspect it's astonishingly high , what players can come close to that, match it or better it? I can only think of two, Messi and Ronaldo?

And in his short career he's scored 142 goals in 241 games, again, that's without even looking at assists, which I can't seem to find. That's an amazing statistic. 142 in 241.

As much of a cliche as it is, stick Messi in the Dutch league, he'll score 100. Put Van Persie in there, he can do as well as Suarez if not better.

Where is the evidence of this?

Even Ruud van Nistlerooy, one of the greatest strikers ever seen in this country, never hit more than 38 in Holland.

What evidence is there that Suarez is better than Van Persie? his scoring record in 2011 isn't better

Oh, are we basing this on goals? Because I thought it was based on who the better player was? Considering Suarez wasn't just bought for goals, I think it's a little unfair.

And arsenalap11, doesn't matter. There is no evidence to suggest that van Persie would score more goals than Suarez. The defence might be worse, but the rest of the team he is playing with will also be worse. Suarez seems to be able to keep the ball, dribble much more effectively than van Persie.

Dan wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Dan wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

Dean wrote:You know it's funny, because people use the argument 'Oh he's only played so many times for Liverpool?' And what, did his career start in January did it? He's been playing longer than that.

He scored 49 goals in 48 games last season and that's without the fucking assists, I don't know that statistic unfortunately, but I suspect it's astonishingly high , what players can come close to that, match it or better it? I can only think of two, Messi and Ronaldo?

And in his short career he's scored 142 goals in 241 games, again, that's without even looking at assists, which I can't seem to find. That's an amazing statistic. 142 in 241.

As much of a cliche as it is, stick Messi in the Dutch league, he'll score 100. Put Van Persie in there, he can do as well as Suarez if not better.

Where is the evidence of this?

Even Ruud van Nistlerooy, one of the greatest strikers ever seen in this country, never hit more than 38 in Holland.

What evidence is there that Suarez is better than Van Persie? his scoring record in 2011 isn't better

Oh, are we basing this on goals? Because I thought it was based on who the better player was? Considering Suarez wasn't just bought for goals, I think it's a little unfair.

And arsenalap11, doesn't matter. There is no evidence to suggest that van Persie would score more goals than Suarez. The defence might be worse, but the rest of the team he is playing with will also be worse. Suarez seems to be able to keep the ball, dribble much more effectively than van Persie.

Fanatic wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

Fanatic wrote:Those of you who are disagreeing at least give evidence to back up your case or even your opinion instead of posting condescending smiley's and non-constructive posts.

Movement. Tricky, both players like drifting out of their "Zone" but I'll go with Suarez as I think he is more shrewd with his movement. Hangeland will testify.

Goal Scoring. RvP. Has a better goal/game ratio than Suarez in the prem, infallible data although I think judging them next season on this aspect would be better as it's suarez' debut half season. (40 goals or something like that last season for Suarez)

Assists. suarez has a better assist/game ratio. Infallible.

Workrate. Suarez is more tenacious, applies himself more and has a stubbornly resistence when working for the team.

No one is giving 'evidence' because its a stupid thread and only Liverpool fans are claiming he is better

Thanks kyro

Why is that such a laughable statement?

Grow up.

Dan wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Dan wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

Dean wrote:You know it's funny, because people use the argument 'Oh he's only played so many times for Liverpool?' And what, did his career start in January did it? He's been playing longer than that.

He scored 49 goals in 48 games last season and that's without the fucking assists, I don't know that statistic unfortunately, but I suspect it's astonishingly high , what players can come close to that, match it or better it? I can only think of two, Messi and Ronaldo?

And in his short career he's scored 142 goals in 241 games, again, that's without even looking at assists, which I can't seem to find. That's an amazing statistic. 142 in 241.

As much of a cliche as it is, stick Messi in the Dutch league, he'll score 100. Put Van Persie in there, he can do as well as Suarez if not better.

Where is the evidence of this?

Even Ruud van Nistlerooy, one of the greatest strikers ever seen in this country, never hit more than 38 in Holland.

What evidence is there that Suarez is better than Van Persie? his scoring record in 2011 isn't better

Oh, are we basing this on goals? Because I thought it was based on who the better player was? Considering Suarez wasn't just bought for goals, I think it's a little unfair.

And arsenalap11, doesn't matter. There is no evidence to suggest that van Persie would score more goals than Suarez. The defence might be worse, but the rest of the team he is playing with will also be worse. Suarez seems to be able to keep the ball, dribble much more effectively than van Persie.

ZlatanFabregas wrote:

Dan wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Dan wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

As much of a cliche as it is, stick Messi in the Dutch league, he'll score 100. Put Van Persie in there, he can do as well as Suarez if not better.

Where is the evidence of this?

Even Ruud van Nistlerooy, one of the greatest strikers ever seen in this country, never hit more than 38 in Holland.

What evidence is there that Suarez is better than Van Persie? his scoring record in 2011 isn't better

Oh, are we basing this on goals? Because I thought it was based on who the better player was? Considering Suarez wasn't just bought for goals, I think it's a little unfair.

And arsenalap11, doesn't matter. There is no evidence to suggest that van Persie would score more goals than Suarez. The defence might be worse, but the rest of the team he is playing with will also be worse. Suarez seems to be able to keep the ball, dribble much more effectively than van Persie.

It's hypocritical to condemn others for talking about goals after what you said about van Nistlerooy.

JMB_94 wrote:

Dan wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Dan wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

As much of a cliche as it is, stick Messi in the Dutch league, he'll score 100. Put Van Persie in there, he can do as well as Suarez if not better.

Where is the evidence of this?

Even Ruud van Nistlerooy, one of the greatest strikers ever seen in this country, never hit more than 38 in Holland.

What evidence is there that Suarez is better than Van Persie? his scoring record in 2011 isn't better

Oh, are we basing this on goals? Because I thought it was based on who the better player was? Considering Suarez wasn't just bought for goals, I think it's a little unfair.

And arsenalap11, doesn't matter. There is no evidence to suggest that van Persie would score more goals than Suarez. The defence might be worse, but the rest of the team he is playing with will also be worse. Suarez seems to be able to keep the ball, dribble much more effectively than van Persie.

Fair enough but Van Persie is a much better target man.

Fonseca wrote:Naa Van Persie doesn't do a lot of work and drop back, it's not like we can't cross because he's busy setting up the move to actually get in the box

arsenalap11 wrote:And as for your last point, Suarez hasn't carried Liverpool at all, so I don't see how that's relevent.

Dean wrote:People seem to write the Dutch League off as some fucking shite league from Europe, is it? No, it's not, it's still an extremely competitive league and easily in the top 7/8 in world football, so I can't be that bad? Yes, I know it's not an 'elite' league, but it ain't no fucking Sunday football league is it? Some of the best players to play have ever played the game, have played in the Dutch league and some of the great players in today's game started from the Dutch League. And I see no statistics like Suarez. Correct me, if I'm wrong, didn't Van Persie come from the Dutch League? Pretty ironic that isn't it?

And this cliché 'Oh it was in the Dutch League' has to stop, yes, some players haven't adapted after leaving the Dutch League, some haven't been able to repeat their form in other Major Leagues, but anyone with an ounce of football intelligence, will realise, Luis Suarez can do what he did in any League, because he's a special player. He's doing it now for fucks sake in the Premier League (the so called the 'best' league in the world)...

I tell you, people may think I'm being stupid, some have even laughed at my statement (It's funny they only laugh, yet no reply, just shows their debating skills) but I'm telling you now, he's up there with the best players in the world and from what I've seen and the evidence I've provided, I stand by my statement, that's there's probably only one or two better players in the world than him. And you'll all be agreeing with me in 1 years time.

Dean wrote:People seem to write the Dutch League off as some fucking shite league from Europe, is it? No, it's not, it's still an extremely competitive league and easily in the top 7/8 in world football, so I can't be that bad? Yes, I know it's not an 'elite' league, but it ain't no fucking Sunday football league is it? Some of the best players to play have ever played the game, have played in the Dutch league and some of the great players in today's game started from the Dutch League. And I see no statistics like Suarez. Correct me, if I'm wrong, didn't Van Persie come from the Dutch League? Pretty ironic that isn't it?

And this cliché 'Oh it was in the Dutch League' has to stop, yes, some players haven't adapted after leaving the Dutch League, some haven't been able to repeat their form in other Major Leagues, but anyone with an ounce of football intelligence, will realise, Luis Suarez can do what he did in any League, because he's a special player. He's doing it now for fucks sake in the Premier League (the so called the 'best' league in the world)...

I tell you, people may think I'm being stupid, some have even laughed at my statement (It's funny they only laugh, yet no reply, just shows their debating skills) but I'm telling you now, he's up there with the best players in the world and from what I've seen and the evidence I've provided, I stand by my statement, that's there's probably only one or two better players in the world than him. And you'll all be agreeing with me in 1 years time.

Lux wrote:

Fonseca wrote:Naa Van Persie doesn't do a lot of work and drop back, it's not like we can't cross because he's busy setting up the move to actually get in the box

Never said he does nothing. Possibly to do with how Arsenal are set up.....but the work load is shared around quite a lot. Van Persie is Arsenal's only recognised striker (don't even mention Chamakh )......so you wouldn't expect him to be anywhere else. He might drop back sometimes to the CAM kind of area but so what?

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

Fanatic wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

Fanatic wrote:Those of you who are disagreeing at least give evidence to back up your case or even your opinion instead of posting condescending smiley's and non-constructive posts.

Movement. Tricky, both players like drifting out of their "Zone" but I'll go with Suarez as I think he is more shrewd with his movement. Hangeland will testify.

Goal Scoring. RvP. Has a better goal/game ratio than Suarez in the prem, infallible data although I think judging them next season on this aspect would be better as it's suarez' debut half season. (40 goals or something like that last season for Suarez)

Assists. suarez has a better assist/game ratio. Infallible.

Workrate. Suarez is more tenacious, applies himself more and has a stubbornly resistence when working for the team.

No one is giving 'evidence' because its a stupid thread and only Liverpool fans are claiming he is better

Thanks kyro

Why is that such a laughable statement?

Grow up.

Because some liverpool fans are deluding themselves that he has been one of the best players about when infact it is simply a very good player playing without any pressure.

samiz wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

Fanatic wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

Fanatic wrote:Those of you who are disagreeing at least give evidence to back up your case or even your opinion instead of posting condescending smiley's and non-constructive posts.

Movement. Tricky, both players like drifting out of their "Zone" but I'll go with Suarez as I think he is more shrewd with his movement. Hangeland will testify.

Goal Scoring. RvP. Has a better goal/game ratio than Suarez in the prem, infallible data although I think judging them next season on this aspect would be better as it's suarez' debut half season. (40 goals or something like that last season for Suarez)

Assists. suarez has a better assist/game ratio. Infallible.

Workrate. Suarez is more tenacious, applies himself more and has a stubbornly resistence when working for the team.

No one is giving 'evidence' because its a stupid thread and only Liverpool fans are claiming he is better

Thanks kyro

Why is that such a laughable statement?

Grow up.

Because some liverpool fans are deluding themselves that he has been one of the best players about when infact it is simply a very good player playing without any pressure.

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

samiz wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

Fanatic wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:No one is giving 'evidence' because its a stupid thread and only Liverpool fans are claiming he is better

Thanks kyro

Why is that such a laughable statement?

Grow up.

Because some liverpool fans are deluding themselves that he has been one of the best players about when infact it is simply a very good player playing without any pressure.

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Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

samiz wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

Fanatic wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:No one is giving 'evidence' because its a stupid thread and only Liverpool fans are claiming he is better

Thanks kyro

Why is that such a laughable statement?

Grow up.

Because some liverpool fans are deluding themselves that he has been one of the best players about when infact it is simply a very good player playing without any pressure.

Thursday Night Channel 5

Fonseca wrote:You said Van Persie doesn't put in the work Suarez does, well he does which negates your point

That's what

ZlatanFabregas wrote:RvP is the better player.
The only things that Suarez has on RvP is speed and movement, and even that is debatable.

samiz wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

samiz wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

Fanatic wrote:Why is that such a laughable statement?

Grow up.

Because some liverpool fans are deluding themselves that he has been one of the best players about when infact it is simply a very good player playing without any pressure.

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