World War 3

Mustangt125 wrote:Anything can happen in the future.

I would not bet on India overtaking us, especially while they continue on with the caste system. Especially if they go to war with Pakistan, which will probably happen at some point.

Egypt, for God's sake. They had their time as a superpower and it was 2000 years ago. Unless there is a complete overhaul in how that country is ran, there is no super power coming from there. Islamic extremists running free in the country, no government, currently no democracy.....no open market. There are dozens of countries closer to becoming a power before Egypt. Egypt has economic, civil liberties, political liberties, and ideological problems to look at before they ever think about doing anything. They are arguably nto even the power of Africa....if S. Africa could figure it out.

Another problem for Egypt is if they ever get too bold, they have the oil rich Saudis so close who will want to maintain their status as the strongest nation in the particular region.

Wishful thinking from you.

I'm pretty happy with the progress Egypt has made so far and if it continues in the right direction, things look good for the country. There was a 41% voter turnout yesterday for the constitution changes referendum and it was approved by a 77% majority.

Islamic extremism will die (it didn't exist heavily in Egypt anyways) under freedom. The biggest reason extremism existed in the first part is because the former regime would unfairly arrest and torture people who were religious. You could be arrested/followed for simply having a beard or regularly go to the mosque for the daily prayers. And, what economic liberties are you mentioning?

Saudi Arabia? Don't be silly. The Saudis won't and can't do shit. They have their own problems to worry about anyways. There is a revolution trying to start up there.

ahlycotc wrote:I personally believe WWIII has already started, or at least it's precursors. And unlike the first two, the major location of the battles (if any) will be in the Middle East, not Europe.

9/11 is what I consider the beginning catalyst. The US went to war with Afghanistan and Iraq and declared a war on Terror (aka Islamic extremism). The fall of the world economy and the revolutions in North Africa and the Middle East are speeding things up. People are always talking about BRIC nations (especially the rise of Asian economies), so it's no surprise that at least one of the superpowers in the future will be from Asia.

Also unlike the first two wars, WWIII will be mainly an economical/political world battle. After the phase is over, the superpowers of the world will be China, India, and the Middle East (with Egypt leading the front). If God forbid the revolutions in MENA turn to a unified Islamic extremist state, we could have a very bloody WWIII.

Call me a dreamer, but that's how I see things going in the future. We might not see the end result anytime soon (maybe 50 years down the road).

Was sceptical, then saw the (lead by Egypt) part and stopped .

Cmon....China and India have a chance but as an all rounded superpower they have a long way to go. The Middle East?......not going to happen...sooner or later oil will run out and the Middle East will starve. Way too much dependency on oil...sure there's a growing financial/property market but there's the Islamic part and corruption in the way.....

Either way, I don't see there being a real World War 3, as there's too much at stake.

End point. Egypt = superpower?

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:I personally believe WWIII has already started, or at least it's precursors. And unlike the first two, the major location of the battles (if any) will be in the Middle East, not Europe.

9/11 is what I consider the beginning catalyst. The US went to war with Afghanistan and Iraq and declared a war on Terror (aka Islamic extremism). The fall of the world economy and the revolutions in North Africa and the Middle East are speeding things up. People are always talking about BRIC nations (especially the rise of Asian economies), so it's no surprise that at least one of the superpowers in the future will be from Asia.

Also unlike the first two wars, WWIII will be mainly an economical/political world battle. After the phase is over, the superpowers of the world will be China, India, and the Middle East (with Egypt leading the front). If God forbid the revolutions in MENA turn to a unified Islamic extremist state, we could have a very bloody WWIII.

Call me a dreamer, but that's how I see things going in the future. We might not see the end result anytime soon (maybe 50 years down the road).

Was sceptical, then saw the (lead by Egypt) part and stopped .

Cmon....China and India have a chance but as an all rounded superpower they have a long way to go. The Middle East?......not going to happen...sooner or later oil will run out and the Middle East will starve. Way too much dependency on oil...sure there's a growing financial/property market but there's the Islamic part and corruption in the way.....

Either way, I don't see there being a real World War 3, as there's too much at stake.

I'll remember to bump this in 50 or so years.

By the time oil runs out in the Middle East, I'm sure there will be another resource that will be more valuable. That or they will build their economy on other things. And why is Egypt leading the Middle East something ridiculous? They have been for the past 100 years or so. They have the biggest population and are looked up to by the rest of the Middle East.

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:I personally believe WWIII has already started, or at least it's precursors. And unlike the first two, the major location of the battles (if any) will be in the Middle East, not Europe.

9/11 is what I consider the beginning catalyst. The US went to war with Afghanistan and Iraq and declared a war on Terror (aka Islamic extremism). The fall of the world economy and the revolutions in North Africa and the Middle East are speeding things up. People are always talking about BRIC nations (especially the rise of Asian economies), so it's no surprise that at least one of the superpowers in the future will be from Asia.

Also unlike the first two wars, WWIII will be mainly an economical/political world battle. After the phase is over, the superpowers of the world will be China, India, and the Middle East (with Egypt leading the front). If God forbid the revolutions in MENA turn to a unified Islamic extremist state, we could have a very bloody WWIII.

Call me a dreamer, but that's how I see things going in the future. We might not see the end result anytime soon (maybe 50 years down the road).

Was sceptical, then saw the (lead by Egypt) part and stopped .

Cmon....China and India have a chance but as an all rounded superpower they have a long way to go. The Middle East?......not going to happen...sooner or later oil will run out and the Middle East will starve. Way too much dependency on oil...sure there's a growing financial/property market but there's the Islamic part and corruption in the way.....

Either way, I don't see there being a real World War 3, as there's too much at stake.

End point. Egypt = superpower?

OK I see now. What I said was the whole Middle East being a combined superpower, with Egypt being a leader of the region (not necessarily formally, just culturally and economically).

ahlycotc wrote:I'll remember to bump this in 50 or so years.

By the time oil runs out in the Middle East, I'm sure there will be another resource that will be more valuable. That or they will build their economy on other things. And why is Egypt leading the Middle East something ridiculous? They have been for the past 100 years or so. They have the biggest population and are looked up to by the rest of the Middle East.

Every country will be looking to find an alternative to oil, but it's the Western countries that are most likely to be spearheading that......

Egypt might have a large population.....but you've hardly got a great economy or GDP......decent but Saudi Arabia, UAE and Iran's are better.

The Middle East isn't one country anyway. From a religious point of view, maybe.....but then again I wouldn't say it's as closely knit as the EU.....almost no country is supporting Libya....some are publicly against and the others probably just aren't in a position to make it their problem. There's definitely tensions there....I think beyond sharing religious ideology you're not that close....and there's always that extremism/corruption lurking that isn't nearly as evident in the Western World. No way would anything that's happening in the Middle East/North Africa happen here. Bump this in 50 years time? I'd say that's maybe enough (if you're lucky) to take you out of all this mess

I can see things changing....but not really in the Middle East's favour. Some countries might still prosper, but I doubt that would make them a super power.

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:I'll remember to bump this in 50 or so years.

By the time oil runs out in the Middle East, I'm sure there will be another resource that will be more valuable. That or they will build their economy on other things. And why is Egypt leading the Middle East something ridiculous? They have been for the past 100 years or so. They have the biggest population and are looked up to by the rest of the Middle East.

Every country will be looking to find an alternative to oil, but it's the Western countries that are most likely to be spearheading that......

Egypt might have a large population.....but you've hardly got a great economy or GDP......decent but Saudi Arabia, UAE and Iran's are better.

The Middle East isn't one country anyway. From a religious point of view, maybe.....but then again I wouldn't say it's as closely knit as the EU.....almost no country is supporting Libya....some are publicly against and the others probably just aren't in a position to make it their problem. There's definitely tensions there....I think beyond sharing religious ideology you're not that close.

I can see things changing....but not really in the Middle East's favour. Some countries might still prosper, but I doubt that would make them a super power.

By supporting Libya, do you mean supporting Gaddafi or the Libyan rebels?

ahlycotc wrote:By supporting Libya, do you mean supporting Gaddafi or the Libyan rebels?

Supporting Gaddafi.

I don't blame them though, but he's the leader of a country you would consider part of your Middle Eastern Alliance.....if you can't agree now then I don't see how you can predict a united world dominating front in just 50 years.

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:By supporting Libya, do you mean supporting Gaddafi or the Libyan rebels?

Supporting Gaddafi.

And that surprises you? Why would they being supporting a dictator that is bombing his own people? To be a combined union, doesn't mean every country supports each other no matter what. If Germany turned into another Nazi state and the rest of Europe didn't support Germany, would you say Europe is not unified?

ahlycotc wrote:

And that surprises you? Why would they being supporting a dictator that is bombing his own people? To be a combined union, doesn't mean every country supports each other no matter what. If Germany turned into another Nazi state and the rest of Europe didn't support Germany, would you say Europe is not unified?

You've got to get used to my constant editing, it's a bad habit

The thing is, I don't see any European country doing that. If they even tried to do that, they'd collapse. For a start, none of the three major powers (UK, France and Germany) would think about doing that because we're past that time...not because of incapability...because there's Democracy and values.....and none of the others would because if they did they'd be shot down.

The difference is, the Middle East isn't like that at all. Human rights aren't up to scratch....lack of Democracy.....religion in politics...

Has this not been settled yet? Every point Ahly makes will be argued against by Lux, and every point made by Lux will be argued against by Ahly. Then there's my spouting nonsense every so often.

ZlatanFabregas wrote:As cool as it would be to move to Mars, I would rather not see all the greedy and corrupted governments ruin another beautiful planet.

You've been watching too many shitty 3D Films

SBSP wrote:Has this not been settled yet? Every point Ahly makes will be argued against by Lux, and every point made by Lux will be argued against by Ahly. Then there's my spouting nonsense every so often.

Why not? No one likes to post and have NO one reply

ahlycotc wrote:

polska. wrote:I don't see any WWIII coming. If anything, I see a new Cold War coming with tons of little wars in it in various places (mainly middle east and Africa).

It might actually be better for humanity, reduce some of our (way over)populated 3rd world countries and probably skyrocket technological advancements into the Space Age.

I want to live to see a Human colony on Mars.

No thank you. There are too many obstacles to living a comfortable life there.

Well obviously.

I mean more as in a domed settlement or something. Colony would be a bad word too, scientists and the like would only live there.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Russia in the world super powers.

ZlatanFabregas wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned Russia in the world super powers.

Spent all their money on Torres lol

ZlatanFabregas wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned Russia in the world super powers.

Cause they aren't.

polska. wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

polska. wrote:I don't see any WWIII coming. If anything, I see a new Cold War coming with tons of little wars in it in various places (mainly middle east and Africa).

It might actually be better for humanity, reduce some of our (way over)populated 3rd world countries and probably skyrocket technological advancements into the Space Age.

I want to live to see a Human colony on Mars.

No thank you. There are too many obstacles to living a comfortable life there.

Well obviously.

I mean more as in a domed settlement or something. Colony would be a bad word too, scientists and the like would only live there.

Might eventually be a luxurious place to live without having to cope with over populated Earth slums

polska. wrote:

ZlatanFabregas wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned Russia in the world super powers.

Cause they aren't.

WWIII will be between Andorra and San Marino. Watch this space.

if there is a world war do you think we will all have to go fight like in 1 and 2?

Cos I cba...

DamianMartinez wrote:if there is a world war do you think we will all have to go fight like in 1 and 2?

Cos I cba...

That unless we're all dead before. I think we will probably be dead so no.

DamianMartinez wrote:if there is a world war do you think we will all have to go fight like in 1 and 2?

Cos I cba...

You might have to......though you might not be needed.....or might be dead by nukes or something

ZlatanFabregas wrote:

polska. wrote:

ZlatanFabregas wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned Russia in the world super powers.

Cause they aren't.

Only regional powers.

The Superpowers are USA and China. Nobody else.

India's not far behind though right?

polska. wrote:

ZlatanFabregas wrote:

polska. wrote:

ZlatanFabregas wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned Russia in the world super powers.

Cause they aren't.

Only regional powers.

The Superpowers are USA and China. Nobody else.

Yeah but Russia have Nuclear weapons, and a big powerful army.

Your forgetting the welsh....we have nature on our side

ZlatanFabregas wrote:

polska. wrote:

ZlatanFabregas wrote:

polska. wrote:

ZlatanFabregas wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned Russia in the world super powers.

Cause they aren't.

Only regional powers.

The Superpowers are USA and China. Nobody else.

Yeah but Russia have Nuclear weapons, and a big powerful army.

Thus very noteworthy and a strong regional power. But they lack the economic power to be a superpower.

Sean wrote:India's not far behind though right?

Fuck no.

India will never be a superpower. Malthusian catastrophe will happen to them loooong before they advance to that sort of political level.

Look towards Brazil for a rising power. A united Europe too perhaps.

http://www.realtruth.org/articles/434-iasitm.html

I knew I wasnt crazy

Why wouldn't India be a superpower? They're growing faster than China at the moment.

Ben wrote:Why wouldn't India be a superpower? They're growing faster than China at the moment.

IMMENSE amount of problems.

Basically while they'll be a major power, they will never be at USA or China's level.