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    Post by Jamie Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:26 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    Fanatic wrote:It's subjective I guess but I wouldn't say 6/10 is "generally agreed upon". More than 6/10 of the forum would agree, im pretty sure of that.

    I'm not going to disagree because I don't know what the poll would bring....but even if a poll was made and Barca won that could be down to several things..this forum doesn't represent everyone ...wording of poll...etc.

    Either way my opinion is mine to have. I don't value mine more I'll just stick with it...and I really don't think it's that controversial.

    Fine Shagger wrote:Pretty much the entire forum would agree bar James and Luke. Even Eggzon would probably agree Laughing

    Doubt it highly. Also I'm not in league with James. No offence to James but I'd rather not be put in the same boat.

    You'd probably make a poll like "are Barcelona worse than Chelsea/Man Utd" and then try and prove something from that when I never said it.


    I lumped you in with him because he also said it. If I worded it "who is the best team of the last 5 years?" it would be almost unanimous.
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    Post by Lux Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:29 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:I lumped you in with him because he also said it. If I worded it "who is the best team of the last 5 years?" it would be almost unanimous.

    Like I said, that poll would mean that either you think Barcelona have been better then Man Utd/Chelsea or they've been worse.

    I don't think it's so black and white...I wouldn't say any have stood out enough...so there's no valid option there for me.
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    Post by Jamie Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:29 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:I lumped you in with him because he also said it. If I worded it "who is the best team of the last 5 years?" it would be almost unanimous.

    Like I said, that poll would mean that either you think Barcelona have been better then Man Utd/Chelsea or they've been worse.

    I don't think it's so black and white...I wouldn't say any have stood out enough...so there's no valid option there for me.

    Even if I added "no one has stood out" it wouldn't change. Neutral
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    Post by The Zlatan Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:32 am

    Ok. Here goes. Arsenal to win tonight. They will actually win the game and not just the tie. eek2
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    Post by Fanatic Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:34 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    Fanatic wrote:Wording would be "Are Barca best in the world (my equivalent of "Kings of the World"). You don't want to disagree because there's nothing to disagree about, majority of forum would agree.

    I'm aware of that...yet that doesn't particularly put me off my opinion. The majority of this forum might think it....in the end that doesn't prove Barcelona are the best.
    Wan't talking about you're opinion, though. You were talking about " I'd expect people to stop believing". Therefore I'm talking about people I.E people on this forum as an example.
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    Post by Lux Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:34 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:Even if I added "no one has stood out" it wouldn't change. Neutral

    Which is fine by me. It might prove that generally this forum don't agree with me, but it doesn't prove that Barcelona have been the best.
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    Post by Jamie Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:35 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:Even if I added "no one has stood out" it wouldn't change. Neutral

    Which is fine by me. It might prove that generally this forum don't agree with me, but it doesn't prove that Barcelona have been the best.

    It does prove that they are the undisputed best though.
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    Post by Jamie Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:36 am

    Tbh I think your grasp of English is again the problem here, like the fringe player debate which arose from you reinventing definitions of words that already exist.
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    Post by Lux Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:37 am

    Fanatic wrote:Wan't talking about you're opinion, though. You were talking about " I'd expect people to stop believing". Therefore I'm talking about people I.E people on this forum as an example.

    I said that when talking about if Arsenal beat Barcelona. I'd expect people to not think Barcelona are the kings of the world if they lose to Arsenal.

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    Post by Lux Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:40 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:It does prove that they are the undisputed best though.

    Well that depends on how many people agree with you.

    It might prove that this forum's opinion is that they are the undisputed best. It doesn't mean they literally the undisputed best. It can be an opinion....it can also have a factual meaning too e.g. undisputed boxing champion.

    Fine Shagger wrote:Tbh I think your grasp of English is again the problem here, like the fringe player debate which arose from you reinventing definitions of words that already exist.

    No it isn't. I know exactly what I'm saying and there's nothing wrong with it.

    Not even going to get into that pointless fringe player thing again.


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    Post by Fanatic Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:40 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    Fanatic wrote:Wan't talking about you're opinion, though. You were talking about " I'd expect people to stop believing". Therefore I'm talking about people I.E people on this forum as an example.

    I said that when talking about if Arsenal beat Barcelona. I'd expect people to not think Barcelona are the kings of the world if they lose to Arsenal.

    You shouldn't expect it because I don't think people's opinion will change.
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    Post by Lux Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:43 am

    Fanatic wrote:You shouldn't expect it because I don't think people's opinion will change.

    Well for me the opinion that Barcelona are the best even if they lose to Arsenal is based more on the praise they get for how they play rather than how successful they are...because teams have been as successful as Barcelona recently and if they can't win in Europe what makes them the best?

    I'm not basing it on one result (or even two if you want to consider the 2 legs)...it's about this result and others over the recent past.
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:44 am

    We get it Lux, you don't like Barca. Just say it.
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    Post by Lux Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:46 am

    ahlycotc wrote:We get it Lux, you don't like Barca. Just say it.

    Obviously if I don't agree with you it's because I hate Barcelona, right?

    Do me a favour, luv.
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    Post by Fanatic Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:49 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    Fanatic wrote:You shouldn't expect it because I don't think people's opinion will change.

    Well for me the opinion that Barcelona are the best even if they lose to Arsenal is based more on the praise they get for how they play rather than how successful they are...because teams have been as successful as Barcelona recently and if they can't win in Europe what makes them the best?

    I'm not basing it on one result (or even two if you want to consider the 2 legs)...it's about this result and others over the recent past.
    Again, like I said that's your opinion. Besides, Barca will win today. (I want Arsenal to win btw)
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:49 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:We get it Lux, you don't like Barca. Just say it.

    Obviously if I don't agree with you it's because I hate Barcelona, right?

    Do me a favour, luv.

    This isn't the first time. And you have previously admitted that you find Barcelona boring out of all teams!
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    Post by Lux Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:52 am

    Fanatic wrote:Again, like I said that's your opinion. Besides, Barca will win today. (I want Arsenal to win btw)

    All that's been said here is opinion. That's all any of us have to go on so going on my opinion alone is fine by me.

    I thought Barcelona would definitely win before all these injuries changes. If Wilshere and Van Persie are playing I think Arsenal have a chance.

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    Post by Fanatic Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:52 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:We get it Lux, you don't like Barca. Just say it.

    Obviously if I don't agree with you it's because I hate Barcelona, right?

    Do me a favour, luv.
    Wow, cringe.
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:52 am

    My main worry for Arsenal is Clichy. Neutral
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    Post by Fanatic Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:54 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    Fanatic wrote:Again, like I said that's your opinion. Besides, Barca will win today. (I want Arsenal to win btw)

    All that's been said here is opinion. That's all any of us have to go on so going on my opinion alone is fine by me.

    I thought Barcelona would definitely win before all these injuries changes. If Wilshere and Van Persie are playing I think Arsenal have a chance.

    But, you were talking about "people". Therefore, not solely your opinion. I'm saying that's just your opinion whereas I'm talking about a broader range of opinions (like my example of the forum)
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    Post by Jamie Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:56 am

    kyro7 wrote:My main worry for Arsenal is Clichy. Neutral

    You copied my opinion. smug
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    Post by Lux Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:56 am

    Fanatic wrote:Wow, cringe.

    In the end what he's suggesting isn't acceptable to me.

    ahlycotc wrote:This isn't the first time. And you have previously admitted that you find Barcelona boring out of all teams!

    It's not even the first time. I don't think Barcelona are worse because I don't like them. Never have done, never will.

    Barcelona are boring in my opinion. In the end that doesn't mean they're a worse team. You can be boring and be the best, or the exciting and be average etc.....

    Fanatic wrote:But, you were talking about "people". Therefore, not solely your opinion. I'm saying that's just your opinion whereas I'm talking about a broader range of opinions (like my example of the forum)

    Sure. I made an assumption...which you could say is an opinion of mine.

    Tbh if I'm wrong that would effect my opinion of the forum rather than make me question myself.


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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:57 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    kyro7 wrote:My main worry for Arsenal is Clichy. Neutral

    You copied my opinion. smug
    What question?
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    Post by Jamie Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:58 am

    kyro7 wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    kyro7 wrote:My main worry for Arsenal is Clichy. Neutral

    You copied my opinion. smug
    What question?

    Eh?
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:04 am

    Tbh Barcelona play noob button mashing L1 + X abusing football.

    Only noobs play like that.
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    Post by Dean Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:08 am

    Barcelona are the best team in the world at this current moment Lux, forget all the dictionary shit and oh but it's opinion and not fact etc... cut the bullshit, sometimes you just have to use a bit of common sense and knowledge, for me you're just cutting corners and putting certain angles on your views. If you don't think Barcelona are the best, then you sir, are a grade A plonker and need to watch more football and understand the game better.
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    Post by Lux Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:10 am

    Plan D wrote:Barcelona are the best team in the world at this current moment Lux, forget all the dictionary shit and oh but it's opinion and not fact etc... cut the bullshit, sometimes you just have to use a bit of common sense and knowledge, for me you're just cutting corners and putting certain angles on your views. If you don't think Barcelona are the best, then you sir, are a grade A plonker and need to watch more football.

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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:11 am

    Arsenal have lost 5 of their last 6 champions league away games.
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:11 am

    In all seriousness though, Barcelona haven't been that great against English sides in the last 5 years.

    The final against Arsenal was very close, and Arsenal played the majority of the game with 10 men! And Barcelona needed a late, late comeback.

    Liverpool not only knocked them out, but beat them at their own ground and dominated them at Anfield. Liverpool were so unlucky in the second leg, hitting the bar a few times, and getting the ball cleared off the line several times. What a game that was though.

    Barcelona were lucky against Chelsea, Chelsea were cheated out of that match. Not only that, but they scored a last minute, last gasp winner.

    Barcelona beat Man United in the final 2-0.

    Barcelona drew 2-2 with Arsenal, whilst Arsenal had a severely weakened side. Barcelona then went on to brush aside an even MORE severely weakened side at the Nou Camp.

    Bareclona lost 2-1 against Arsenal.

    Yeah, not THAT impressive to me really.
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    The-Reporter wrote:Arsenal have lost 5 of their last 6 champions league away games.

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