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Luxz0rz wrote:

SBSP_FIFA wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:
Yeah they do......Messi, Villa and Iniesta

When does Iniesta ever play on the wing for Barca?

He doesn't because he is just as effective as a CM and Pedro plays on the wing.

Yes...but if Fabregas were to join Barcelona do you think Iniesta would move to the wing and Pedro would be dropped......or Fabregas? For me it's hard to say because I'm not Guardiola but I'd drop Pedro for sure. Iniesta would play on the wing if a better player than Pedro joined and pushed Pedro down the priority list....at least I would think so

My point of being a fringe player of the XI is in regards to if a new, better player were to come in. I think the point you're getting at isn't really relevant to my point.

Danny B wrote:

SBSP_FIFA wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:
Yeah they do......Messi, Villa and Iniesta

When does Iniesta ever play on the wing for Barca?

He doesn't because he is just as effective as a CM and Pedro plays on the wing.

May as well use this quote, when the fuck do Iniesta, Villa or Messi start on the left wing?

Keep digging Lux, reached China yet?

Luxz0rz wrote:
My point of being a fringe player of the XI is in regards to if a new, better player were to come in. I think the point you're getting at isn't really relevant to my point.

mauro wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:
My point of being a fringe player of the XI is in regards to if a new, better player were to come in. I think the point you're getting at isn't really relevant to my point.

so nani is fringe player because if ronaldo and messi joined man u he will not play

drogba fringe player because he would sit on bench if villa joined chelsea

nice

ahlycotc wrote:Well if Fabregas would join Barca, it would probably be when Xavi retires. If not, I'd keep Fabregas on the bench or replace Iniesta for him. I'd rather have Pedro do the wing work than Iniesta. Iniesta is a better player than Pedro overall, but Pedro is more effective and natural on the wing.

Jamie wrote:

Danny B wrote:

SBSP_FIFA wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:
Yeah they do......Messi, Villa and Iniesta

When does Iniesta ever play on the wing for Barca?

He doesn't because he is just as effective as a CM and Pedro plays on the wing.

May as well use this quote, when the fuck do Iniesta, Villa or Messi start on the left wing?

Keep digging Lux, reached China yet?

In his defence(for once ) Iniesta and Villa play left wing at times.

Most of the time, Barca play Villa-Messi-Pedro as the front 3.

mauro wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:
My point of being a fringe player of the XI is in regards to if a new, better player were to come in. I think the point you're getting at isn't really relevant to my point.

drogba fringe player because he would sit on bench if villa joined chelsea

nice

Danny B wrote:

Jamie wrote:

Danny B wrote:

SBSP_FIFA wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:
Yeah they do......Messi, Villa and Iniesta

When does Iniesta ever play on the wing for Barca?

He doesn't because he is just as effective as a CM and Pedro plays on the wing.

May as well use this quote, when the fuck do Iniesta, Villa or Messi start on the left wing?

Keep digging Lux, reached China yet?

In his defence(for once ) Iniesta and Villa play left wing at times.

Most of the time, Barca play Villa-Messi-Pedro as the front 3.

Yeah, I forgot to add for Barca. Iniesta plays it occasionally, and Villa probably would be if Ibrahimovic didn't go out on loan, and he plays there for Spain. Not for Barca though.

Danny B wrote:The thing is mate, Fabregas isn't at Barca (yet) so (at the moment at least) Pedro is far from a fringe player. Stop talking about the future

mauro wrote:so nani is fringe player because if ronaldo and messi joined man u he will not play

drogba fringe player because he would sit on bench if villa joined chelsea

nice

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Well if Fabregas would join Barca, it would probably be when Xavi retires. If not, I'd keep Fabregas on the bench or replace Iniesta for him. I'd rather have Pedro do the wing work than Iniesta. Iniesta is a better player than Pedro overall, but Pedro is more effective and natural on the wing.

That's the shame for Fabregas really. I agree with you there.....though I think maybe compromising the effectiveness of wingplay to gain the ability of Fabregas could be worth it. A better example would be a player like Robben. They play the same position and Robben is better (IMO) so you wouldn't have to change the formation he would just swap with Pedro.

This point does sort of bring about the flaw in my point though. If the only way that Pedro would be replaced is if a better player of the same specific role (in this case winger) joined then I might as well just say he's the worst winger in the Barcelona XI.......though he only has Messi to compete with so no shame there.

Jamie wrote:

He does for Barca though.

They all drift about but watch Barcelona and Villa spends the most time out of the 3 on the left, Messi spends the most centrally and Pedro the most on the right.

He does play the most advanced of the 3 though so it's a pretty unique position, not a normal left wing role.

Luxz0rz wrote:

Tbh I'd play Drogba over Villa but that aside.......

Luxz0rz wrote:
Nani is Man Utd's best winger and the circumstances are different for him in comparison to Pedro. Pedro isn't one of Barcelona's best players....I'd say in the XI he would be 9th/10th/11th most important.

ahlycotc wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Well if Fabregas would join Barca, it would probably be when Xavi retires. If not, I'd keep Fabregas on the bench or replace Iniesta for him. I'd rather have Pedro do the wing work than Iniesta. Iniesta is a better player than Pedro overall, but Pedro is more effective and natural on the wing.

That's the shame for Fabregas really. I agree with you there.....though I think maybe compromising the effectiveness of wingplay to gain the ability of Fabregas could be worth it. A better example would be a player like Robben. They play the same position and Robben is better (IMO) so you wouldn't have to change the formation he would just swap with Pedro.

This point does sort of bring about the flaw in my point though. If the only way that Pedro would be replaced is if a better player of the same specific role (in this case winger) joined then I might as well just say he's the worst winger in the Barcelona XI.......though he only has Messi to compete with so no shame there.

To be honest, I don't think you definition of a fringe player makes any sense. Because by your definition every winger in any squad is considered a fringe player because you will drop them if Messi joins the team. That means Ronaldo is a fringe player of Real Madrid.

Cameron_LFC wrote:In my opinion, a fringe player is exactly that, a player on the fringes of the first team, so hes a bench player who gets some games, like Sturridge at chelsea (Couldnt really think of anyone). He normally comes on as a sub and sometimes starts a game.

Pedro isn't a fringe player.

ahlycotc wrote:To be honest, I don't think you definition of a fringe player makes any sense. Because by your definition every winger in any squad is considered a fringe player because you will drop them if Messi joins the team.

ahlycotc wrote:
That means Ronaldo is a fringe player of Real Madrid.

mauro wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:

Tbh I'd play Drogba over Villa but that aside.......

ye ok and u are a dickhead

Cameron_LFC wrote:In my opinion, a fringe player is exactly that, a player on the fringes of the first team, so hes a bench player who gets some games, like Sturridge at chelsea (Couldnt really think of anyone). He normally comes on as a sub and sometimes starts a game.

Pedro isn't a fringe player.

SBSP_FIFA wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Well if Fabregas would join Barca, it would probably be when Xavi retires. If not, I'd keep Fabregas on the bench or replace Iniesta for him. I'd rather have Pedro do the wing work than Iniesta. Iniesta is a better player than Pedro overall, but Pedro is more effective and natural on the wing.

That's the shame for Fabregas really. I agree with you there.....though I think maybe compromising the effectiveness of wingplay to gain the ability of Fabregas could be worth it. A better example would be a player like Robben. They play the same position and Robben is better (IMO) so you wouldn't have to change the formation he would just swap with Pedro.

This point does sort of bring about the flaw in my point though. If the only way that Pedro would be replaced is if a better player of the same specific role (in this case winger) joined then I might as well just say he's the worst winger in the Barcelona XI.......though he only has Messi to compete with so no shame there.

To be honest, I don't think you definition of a fringe player makes any sense. Because by your definition every winger in any squad is considered a fringe player because you will drop them if Messi joins the team. That means Ronaldo is a fringe player of Real Madrid.

I didn't know teams played with one winger.

ahlycotc wrote:Yeah, I know. I was just trying to get the point across. Fringe player doesn't mean being the worst player of the starting XI. By Lux's definition, Valdez is a fringe player. Valdez would be dropped if someone like Casillas were to join Barca.

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:To be honest, I don't think you definition of a fringe player makes any sense. Because by your definition every winger in any squad is considered a fringe player because you will drop them if Messi joins the team.

It's not supposed to be based solely on positions though.....it's about the squad and rotating the formation to make sure that the best players get in. Sometimes that works....sometimes not. Generally what I'm not saying is that Pedro is a fringe player because he will leave if Ronaldo joins.....it's because if Ronaldo joins and any of the 11 in the team had to go Pedro would be one of the first names.....where as players like Messi, Xavi, Puyol, etc are too important. In theory any player but the goalkeeper could be kicked out for Ronaldo...you could go 3-4-3 or 4-2-4 for example.

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Yeah, I know. I was just trying to get the point across. Fringe player doesn't mean being the worst player of the starting XI. By Lux's definition, Valdez is a fringe player. Valdez would be dropped if someone like Casillas were to join Barca.

That's just redundant though.....no one else but Valdez could be dropped for Casillas.

Cameron_LFC wrote:Lux, you better be :troll:

ahlycotc wrote:Puyol

Of course a player like Puyol wouldn't be dropped if Ronaldo joins, because they don't play anywhere near the same position. Pedro would be on top of that list, because it's either Pedro or Messi. No other player would be in consideration.

SBSP_FIFA wrote:Julio Cesar, Pepe Reina, Rene Adler, Manuel Neuer, Petr Cech...

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Puyol

Of course a player like Puyol wouldn't be dropped if Ronaldo joins, because they don't play anywhere near the same position. Pedro would be on top of that list, because it's either Pedro or Messi. No other player would be in consideration.

That's where you're not in the spirit of my theory though.

If Guardiola wanted to of course Puyol could be dropped.

Valdez
Alves Pique Abidal
Pedro Xavi Busquets Iniesta
Ronaldo Villa Messi

....that is possible......I'm not saying it would happen as Puyol wouldn't be dropped but you can't seriously say that Barcelona and Guardiola would not play any other formation than 4-3-3 to get Ronaldo into the team...?

Luxz0rz wrote:Wtf.....I mean in the Barcelona XI.

You're hardly going to take Messi off and put Casillas on are you? That would be stupid.....

Luxz0rz wrote:Pedro is a fringe player who wouldn't be anything special if he wasn't at Barcelona.

Arsenal had a lot of injuries and tbh it would've been very close if both sides played full strength last season......this season I'm not so sure as the defence isn't so great for Arsenal.