Champions League - First Knock-out stage draw.

Luxz0rz wrote:

Dean wrote:
Lux



You've had a 'mare son.

Unfortunately for you your inability to respond with a proper post was not saved by showing a picture of me. Did you really think I'd post that picture if I cared how people would judge me?

My inability to respond with a proper post? What exactly needs to be fucking said? I think we've established the situation here, you're talking shit and we all realise this.

What more needs to be added to the matter?

ahlycotc wrote:Lux, you are simply trying to avoid something. The following is your first post to the whole argument...

Luxz0rz wrote:Pedro is a fringe player who wouldn't be anything special if he wasn't at Barcelona.

I don't see any mention of "fringe of the starting XI". No, you simply said he is a fringe player. To everyone that means he is a fringe player of the first team squad, not the starting XI. And then you went on to say he isn't anything special, which is a whole different thing.

Mess is special, Xavi is special too. Maybe your definition of special is different to mine....but even at Barcelona Pedro isn't special.

I was being vague then I admit....but I was questioned as to how Pedro is a fringe player of Barcelona....and I clearly saw my original mistake and made myself clear by being more specific. Talking about substitutes when I'm talking only about the XI (and I did make that clear) is just ludicrous to me.

Dean wrote:
My inability to respond with a proper post? What exactly needs to be fucking said? I think we've established the situation here, you're talking shit and we all realise this.

What more needs to be added to the matter?

That you're all failing to grasp the point? I've already clearly shown that I made a mistake by saying just "fringe player" by changing my wording and being my specific. By doing that I am no longer talking shit.....if you want to believe so then it's a free country but parading my picture around the forum and trying to be important won't change anything.

I don't think Lux has had a mare he just thought Pedro was fringe which was incorrect.
















Lay off you fucking wankstains

Seriously though, usual Barca XI:

To sum up, none of those are fringe players in any way shape or form

The-Reporter wrote:I don't think Lux has had a mare he just thought Pedro was fringe which was incorrect.

I appreciate the thought.....but I don't think Pedro is a fringe player in the same way that everyone else thinks. I don't really see how more obvious I can be than by saying "in the XI". If people somehow come to the conclusion that I'm saying Pedro is a substitute when talking about him being a fringe player in the XI then I have no clue how they came to that conclusion.

Danny B wrote:

Seriously though, usual Barca XI:

Valdes

Alves, Puyol, Pique, Abidal

Xavi, Busquets/Mascherano, Iniesta

Messi, Villa, Pedro

To sum up, none of those are fringe players in any way shape or form

Could argue Mascherano and Abidal are in fairness, but otherwise agree.

Danny B wrote:

Seriously though, usual Barca XI:

Valdes

Alves, Puyol, Pique, Abidal

Xavi, Busquets/Mascherano, Iniesta

Messi, Villa, Pedro

To sum up, none of those are fringe players in any way shape or form

Mascherano, Pedro and Abidal are fringe players of the XI IMO....definitely Mascherano and Abidal more than Pedro. They aren't guaranteed a place in team......Pedro usually is but if any attacking player in the XI were to go it would be him.

Like I've said 10000000 times.....if my specific wording "fringe player of the XI" does not satisfy you then come up with a phrase that will not get your panties in a twist or shut up.

18 apps in this stage of the season is not fringe imo.

Jamie wrote:

Danny B wrote:

Seriously though, usual Barca XI:

Valdes

Alves, Puyol, Pique, Abidal

Xavi, Busquets/Mascherano, Iniesta

Messi, Villa, Pedro

To sum up, none of those are fringe players in any way shape or form

Could argue Mascherano and Abidal are in fairness, but otherwise agree.

A bit of guesswork there yeah. Wasn't sure who'd been more used at left back, and I knew Busquets had a few more apps than Mascherano.

The-Reporter wrote:18 apps in this stage of the season is not fringe imo.

I agree...that's why I'm not saying he is a fringe player. I'm saying he is a fringe player of the XI. It's got nothing to do with appearances..it's to do with the quality of Pedro and the fact that if Guardiola were to bring in a player e.g. Ronaldo.......then Pedro would go onto the bench because he's the worst attacking player for Barcelona in the XI. It's not bad being the worst attacking player for Barcelona...but it's true.

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Lux, you are simply trying to avoid something. The following is your first post to the whole argument...

Luxz0rz wrote:Pedro is a fringe player who wouldn't be anything special if he wasn't at Barcelona.

I don't see any mention of "fringe of the starting XI". No, you simply said he is a fringe player. To everyone that means he is a fringe player of the first team squad, not the starting XI. And then you went on to say he isn't anything special, which is a whole different thing.

Mess is special, Xavi is special too. Maybe your definition of special is different to mine....but even at Barcelona Pedro isn't special.

I was being vague then I admit....but I was questioned as to how Pedro is a fringe player of Barcelona....and I clearly saw my original mistake and made myself clear by being more specific. Talking about substitutes when I'm talking only about the XI (and I did make that clear) is just ludicrous to me.

1) OK well that settles the whole fringe argument

2) The fact that Pedro is one of Barca's most important player would make him a special player, imo. Notice you said he wouldn't be anything special outside of Barca, meaning you weren't arguing if he was special for Barca, but rather if he was a special player in general.

Honestly I think that Pedro is one of the world's best players in his position, hence his specialness. But, if you don't agree with that, let's end it here.

Busquets looks closer to 30 than he does 22.

Luxz0rz wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:18 apps in this stage of the season is not fringe imo.

I agree...that's why I'm not saying he is a fringe player. I'm saying he is a fringe player of the XI. It's got nothing to do with appearances..it's to do with the quality of Pedro and the fact that if Guardiola were to bring in a player e.g. Ronaldo.......then Pedro would go onto the bench because he's the worst attacking player for Barcelona in the XI. It's not bad being the worst attacking player for Barcelona...but it's true.

I was talking about Mascherano.

Luxz0rz wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:18 apps in this stage of the season is not fringe imo.

I agree...that's why I'm not saying he is a fringe player. I'm saying he is a fringe player of the XI. It's got nothing to do with appearances..it's to do with the quality of Pedro and the fact that if Guardiola were to bring in a player e.g. Ronaldo.......then Pedro would go onto the bench because he's the worst attacking player for Barcelona in the XI. It's not bad being the worst attacking player for Barcelona...but it's true.

Yeah, but seen as Barca dont have someone like Ronaldo, Pedro isn't a fringe player

Luxz0rz wrote:

Danny B wrote:

Seriously though, usual Barca XI:

Valdes

Alves, Puyol, Pique, Abidal

Xavi, Busquets/Mascherano, Iniesta

Messi, Villa, Pedro

To sum up, none of those are fringe players in any way shape or form

Mascherano, Pedro and Abidal are fringe players of the XI IMO....definitely Mascherano and Abidal more than Pedro. They aren't guaranteed a place in team......Pedro usually is but if any attacking player in the XI were to go it would be him.

Like I've said 10000000 times.....if my specific wording "fringe player of the XI" does not satisfy you then come up with a phrase that will not get your panties in a twist or shut up.

Well ok then lets put it your way.

Gerrard and Torres are Liverpool's main attacking threat. But if any attacking player in the XI had to go, it would be say Torres (I'm being hypothetical here) So does that then mean Torres is a '' fringe player '' of the Liverpool XI because if we had to remove one of our attacking players out it would be Torres?

ahlycotc wrote:1) OK well that settles the whole fringe argument

2) The fact that Pedro is one of Barca's most important player would make him a special player, imo. Notice you said he wouldn't be anything special outside of Barca, meaning you weren't arguing if he was special for Barca, but rather if he was a special player in general.

Honestly I think that Pedro is one of the world's best players in his position, hence his specialness. But, if you don't agree with that, let's end it here.

It took a long time but we got there I don't think Pedro is one of the world's best players (again that term is loose but oh well)....I think there are a lot of better players than Pedro outside of Barcelona and he's not in the top 3 attacking players at Barcelona (Messi,Villa,Iniesta>) so I think totting up all the players I consider better than him....I wouldn't say he's special......more the group underneath....

But yes...that's the opinions and we don't agree...which is fair.

Now that I've got a good response I can go to bed

Dean wrote:Well ok then lets put it your way.

Gerrard and Torres are Liverpool's main attacking threat. But if any attacking player in the XI had to go, it would be say Torres (I'm being hypothetical here) So does that then mean Torres is a '' fringe player '' of the Liverpool XI because if we had to remove one of our attacking players out it would be Torres?

.......Gerrard is not a striker and Torres is clearly Liverpool's main and only quality striker. IMO there is enough flexibility in Liverpool's side (or to be crude lack of quality) that if a better striker came then a player other than Torres would go e.g. Maxi....and you'd just change formation. If Ronaldo went to Barcelona how could they change formation to allow Pedro to play and not drop anyone better? I don't see it tbh....

Lux, keep digging this hole mate. You'll be reaching bloody China soon

Dean wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:

Danny B wrote:

Seriously though, usual Barca XI:

Valdes

Alves, Puyol, Pique, Abidal

Xavi, Busquets/Mascherano, Iniesta

Messi, Villa, Pedro

To sum up, none of those are fringe players in any way shape or form

Mascherano, Pedro and Abidal are fringe players of the XI IMO....definitely Mascherano and Abidal more than Pedro. They aren't guaranteed a place in team......Pedro usually is but if any attacking player in the XI were to go it would be him.

Like I've said 10000000 times.....if my specific wording "fringe player of the XI" does not satisfy you then come up with a phrase that will not get your panties in a twist or shut up.

Well ok then lets put it your way.

Gerrard and Torres are Liverpool's main attacking threat. But if any attacking player in the XI had to go, it would be say Torres (I'm being hypothetical here) So does that then mean Torres is a '' fringe player '' of the Liverpool XI because if we had to remove one of our attacking players out it would be Torres?

Wouldn't it be Kuyt or Maxi? Fuck replacing Torres.

Danny B wrote:Lux, keep digging this hole mate. You'll be reaching bloody China soon

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:1) OK well that settles the whole fringe argument

2) The fact that Pedro is one of Barca's most important player would make him a special player, imo. Notice you said he wouldn't be anything special outside of Barca, meaning you weren't arguing if he was special for Barca, but rather if he was a special player in general.

Honestly I think that Pedro is one of the world's best players in his position, hence his specialness. But, if you don't agree with that, let's end it here.

It took a long time but we got there I don't think Pedro is one of the world's best players (again that term is loose but oh well)....I think there are a lot of better players than Pedro outside of Barcelona and he's not in the top 3 attacking players at Barcelona (Messi,Villa,Iniesta>) so I think totting up all the players I consider better than him....I wouldn't say he's special......more the group underneath....

But yes...that's the opinions and we don't agree...which is fair.

Now that I've got a good response I can go to bed

Don't go to bed yet, because you misunderstood me. I didn't say he is one of the best players in the world. But one of the best players in the world in his position. So comparing him to Villa is irrelevant.

Villa has played in a similar role at times tbh, particularly in the WC for Spain.

ahlycotc wrote:Don't go to bed yet, because you misunderstood me. I didn't say he is one of the best players in the world. But one of the best players in the world in his position. So comparing him to Villa is irrelevant.

Ok fair enough..I was being a bit broader i.e. general forward positions....though I'm not sure that I would classify him as special in his position anyway.....more potentially special. There's still quite a good amount of players I'd consider a grade above him.

The-Reporter wrote:
I was talking about Mascherano.

Ok, though some are subs I think. It's quite tight in the Barcelona midfield....he has to compete with Busquets and Keita amongst other so it's hard for him to establish himself.

Danny B wrote:Yeah, but seen as Barca dont have someone like Ronaldo, Pedro isn't a fringe player

Yeah they do......Messi, Villa and Iniesta

Danny B wrote:Villa has played in a similar role at times tbh, particularly in the WC for Spain.

He really is more effective as a striker though. When you're a world class player like Villa and have pace you could change positions and still do well on the world stage.

Danny B wrote:Villa has played in a similar role at times tbh, particularly in the WC for Spain.

That's not naturally his position though.

Luxz0rz wrote:
Yeah they do......Messi, Villa and Iniesta

When does Iniesta ever play on the wing for Barca?

He doesn't because he is just as effective as a CM and Pedro plays on the wing.

SBSP_FIFA wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:
Yeah they do......Messi, Villa and Iniesta

When does Iniesta ever play on the wing for Barca?

He doesn't because he is just as effective as a CM and Pedro plays on the wing.

Yes...but if Fabregas were to join Barcelona do you think Iniesta would move to the wing and Pedro would be dropped......or Fabregas? For me it's hard to say because I'm not Guardiola but I'd drop Pedro for sure. Iniesta would play on the wing if a better player than Pedro joined and pushed Pedro down the priority list....at least I would think so

My point of being a fringe player of the XI is in regards to if a new, better player were to come in. I think the point you're getting at isn't really relevant to my point.

SBSP_FIFA wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:
Yeah they do......Messi, Villa and Iniesta

When does Iniesta ever play on the wing for Barca?

He doesn't because he is just as effective as a CM and Pedro plays on the wing.

May as well use this quote, when the fuck do Iniesta, Villa or Messi start on the left wing?

Keep digging Lux, reached China yet?

pedro start practically every game why is he fringe player?

fringe player would be maxwell mascherano or adriano

Luxz0rz wrote:

SBSP_FIFA wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:
Yeah they do......Messi, Villa and Iniesta

When does Iniesta ever play on the wing for Barca?

He doesn't because he is just as effective as a CM and Pedro plays on the wing.

Yes...but if Fabregas were to join Barcelona do you think Iniesta would move to the wing and Pedro would be dropped......or Fabregas? For me it's hard to say because I'm not Guardiola but I'd drop Pedro for sure.

My point of being a fringe player of the XI is in regards to if a new, better player were to come in. I think the point you're getting at isn't really relevant to my point.

You should have said that to begin with.

Might as well be speaking a foreign language and not telling us what it is.

SBSP_FIFA wrote:You should have said that to begin with.

........Maybe I did and you just didn't read it? That's what happens when you join a thread 90% of the way through.

I'm cutting it here because new people are joining the discussion and the point I'm making appears to be hard for people to grasp and I'm not repeating myself just for people like Mauro

Luxz0rz wrote:

SBSP_FIFA wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:
Yeah they do......Messi, Villa and Iniesta

When does Iniesta ever play on the wing for Barca?

He doesn't because he is just as effective as a CM and Pedro plays on the wing.

Yes...but if Fabregas were to join Barcelona do you think Iniesta would move to the wing and Pedro would be dropped......or Fabregas? For me it's hard to say because I'm not Guardiola but I'd drop Pedro for sure. Iniesta would play on the wing if a better player than Pedro joined and pushed Pedro down the priority list.

My point of being a fringe player of the XI is in regards to if a new, better player were to come in. I think the point you're getting at isn't really relevant to my point.

Well if Fabregas would join Barca, it would probably be when Xavi retires. If not, I'd keep Fabregas on the bench or replace Iniesta for him. I'd rather have Pedro do the wing work than Iniesta. Iniesta is a better player than Pedro overall, but Pedro is more effective and natural on the wing.