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coolmarvin wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:

coolmarvin wrote:In a proper starting XI for Arsenal, Pedro would get in ahead of Walcott. Don't see how that's so far-fetched. Arsenal aren't a team that rely on speed, so that isn't a good enough excuse for Walcott starting.

That's where you're wrong, in a proper starting 11, Walcott nor Pedro would get into the starting lineup. This is what it would be if everyone is fit:

Fabianski

Sagna-Djourou/Squillaci-Vermaelen-Clichy

Song

Fabregas-Nasri

Van Persie-Chamakh-Arshavin

When's the last time RVP was played on the wing? I don't recall it happening that often, if at all. Must be a reason for that.

Your honestly telling me that a front line of Van Persie-Chamakh-Arshavin is better than Pedro-RVP-Arshavin? Not saying there's a massive gulf in class between the two, but having the latter would surely suit Arsenal alot more.

You're not an Arsenal fan are you? Because if you were you'd know that Van Persie was a winger before he arrived at Arsenal. Mind you I did say that a fully fit squad meaning that all the best players will play. Wenger wouldn't drop Chamakh at the moment as he's scoring goals, he'd simply slide Van Persie to the wing where he can still be effective and cut in with his left foot.

Of course that would suit our play much more, but we bought Chamakh for a reason and that is to have a plan b. If that wasn't the case, we would have just bought another similar type Arsenal player.

coolmarvin wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:

coolmarvin wrote:In a proper starting XI for Arsenal, Pedro would get in ahead of Walcott. Don't see how that's so far-fetched. Arsenal aren't a team that rely on speed, so that isn't a good enough excuse for Walcott starting.

That's where you're wrong, in a proper starting 11, Walcott nor Pedro would get into the starting lineup. This is what it would be if everyone is fit:

Fabianski

Sagna-Djourou/Squillaci-Vermaelen-Clichy

Song

Fabregas-Nasri

Van Persie-Chamakh-Arshavin

OK so you are saying Arshavin is better than Pedro? Because that's where I would put him. Nasri plays CM.

Arshavin >>>>> Pedro. Let's not even get into that.

Problem is Arshavin plays like shit 99% of the times.

I believe Pedro is better than Arshavin and there is not use debating because it doesn't seem like either is going to step down. And if Arshavin plays shit 99% of the time, then he is shit.

I'm don't actually think Arshavin is a shit player, but it doesn't help when he doesn't play well. Pedro would start over Arshavin.

Nobodys seen Pedro without the super Barca team or Spain team around him.

Arshavin has done alot more individually.

Arshavin is a lazy twat. Has the talent but no point when he can't be arsed using it.

Dan wrote:Yep, a player that's played 52 times last season is definitely a fringe player..

A fringe under not much stress. As I said...who's he supposed to be replaced by? Last year Henry fell out of favour and then it's just Jeffren and Bojan. If Barcelona had more competition for Pedro's place then it would be more relevant.

ahlycotc wrote:Let's go back to what started this whole argument first. I said Barca without Messi, is still good because they have Villa, Pedro, Xavi, and Iniesta. Why does it matter if Pedro isn't as good as the ones previously mentioned? Let's even imagine he is a fringe player. Why is that relevant?

I moved the subject....I wasn't focusing on Messi, Villa, Xavi or Iniesta...just Pedro. I found it quite funny to name Pedro alongside those players when he doesn't blow Arsenal out of the water at all.

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Whatever a fringe player is "supposed" to be. I've made my own definition, I've clearly explained what I mean and if that is not enough for you to get over it and focus on the proper points then that's pretty sad tbh.

Jamie wrote:Arshavin is a lazy twat. Has the talent but no point when he can't be arsed using it.

Ripped your net off 5 times though.

19Jones19v wrote:

coolmarvin wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:

coolmarvin wrote:In a proper starting XI for Arsenal, Pedro would get in ahead of Walcott. Don't see how that's so far-fetched. Arsenal aren't a team that rely on speed, so that isn't a good enough excuse for Walcott starting.

That's where you're wrong, in a proper starting 11, Walcott nor Pedro would get into the starting lineup. This is what it would be if everyone is fit:

Fabianski

Sagna-Djourou/Squillaci-Vermaelen-Clichy

Song

Fabregas-Nasri

Van Persie-Chamakh-Arshavin

When's the last time RVP was played on the wing? I don't recall it happening that often, if at all. Must be a reason for that.

Your honestly telling me that a front line of Van Persie-Chamakh-Arshavin is better than Pedro-RVP-Arshavin? Not saying there's a massive gulf in class between the two, but having the latter would surely suit Arsenal alot more.

You're not an Arsenal fan are you? Because if you were you'd know that Van Persie was a winger before he arrived at Arsenal. Mind you I did say that a fully fit squad meaning that all the best players will play. Wenger wouldn't drop Chamakh at the moment as he's scoring goals, he'd simply slide Van Persie to the wing where he can still be effective and cut in with his left foot.

Of course that would suit our play much more, but we bought Chamakh for a reason and that is to have a plan b. If that wasn't the case, we would have just bought another similar type Arsenal player.

I'm fully aware that he was a winger before. My point was that Wenger has hardly ever played him on the wing for Arsenal. There must be a reason for that, it's not like there hasn't been moments where he could have done so. Maybe he's not as effective there as he used to be? After all, he would know.

So yeah, when Arsenal fans make a starting XI for Aresnal, it's a bit pointless having RVP on the wing just to try and debunk someone's else view cause he's never played there and probably never will.

ahlycotc wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:

coolmarvin wrote:In a proper starting XI for Arsenal, Pedro would get in ahead of Walcott. Don't see how that's so far-fetched. Arsenal aren't a team that rely on speed, so that isn't a good enough excuse for Walcott starting.

That's where you're wrong, in a proper starting 11, Walcott nor Pedro would get into the starting lineup. This is what it would be if everyone is fit:

Fabianski

Sagna-Djourou/Squillaci-Vermaelen-Clichy

Song

Fabregas-Nasri

Van Persie-Chamakh-Arshavin

OK so you are saying Arshavin is better than Pedro? Because that's where I would put him. Nasri plays CM.

Oh dear . Arshavin>>>>>>Pedro even if Arshavin isn't the same type of player in 08. Pedro can not win a game on his own, Pedro can not find killer passes, Pedro can not make something out of nothing, Pedro can not score take 4 shots at goal and score on each occasion, I can go on. Yes Nasri's preferred position is midfield, but in our current starting 11 he plays right wing, either way:
Nasri>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pedro
Arshavin>>>>>>>Pedro

Luxz0rz wrote:

Dan wrote:Yep, a player that's played 52 times last season is definitely a fringe player..

A fringe under not much stress. As I said...who's he supposed to be replaced by? Last year Henry fell out of favour and then it's just Jeffren and Bojan. If Barcelona had more competition for Pedro's place then it would be more relevant.

ahlycotc wrote:Let's go back to what started this whole argument first. I said Barca without Messi, is still good because they have Villa, Pedro, Xavi, and Iniesta. Why does it matter if Pedro isn't as good as the ones previously mentioned? Let's even imagine he is a fringe player. Why is that relevant?

I moved the subject....I wasn't focusing on Messi, Villa, Xavi or Iniesta...just Pedro. I found it quite funny to name Pedro alongside those players when he doesn't blow Arsenal out of the water at all.

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Whatever a fringe player is "supposed" to be. I've made my own definition, I've clearly explained what I mean and if that is not enough for you to get over it and focus on the proper points then that's pretty sad tbh.

Iniesta can play on the wing too.

But seen as there's not much competition for his spot and he's first choice left winger, he's not a fringe player.

Messi's not got much competition on the right wing, is he a fringe player as well now?

Yeah, you're not the only one who can post total crap

Jamie wrote:Iniesta can play on the wing too.

Then who plays in the midfield? Pedro is doing well to make it better for Guardiola to play him on the wing and have Iniesta in midfield instead of playing someone like Keita and dropping Pedro for Iniesta....no offence to Keita but he probably wouldn't get into the Arsenal XI anyway.

Danny B wrote:But seen as there's not much competition for his spot and he's first choice left winger, he's not a fringe player.

Messi's not got much competition on the right wing, is he a fringe player as well now?

Yeah, you're not the only one who can post total crap

It's about the quality of the player in terms of the team, not the competition that player has.

Messi is one of/the best player in the team. Pedro clearly isn't......he's way down the pecking order in the XI....maybe 9/10th most important.

Luxz0rz wrote:

Jamie wrote:Iniesta can play on the wing too.

Then who plays in the midfield? Pedro is doing well to make it better for Guardiola to play him on the wing and have Iniesta in midfield instead of playing someone like Keita and dropping Pedro for Iniesta....no offence to Keita but he probably wouldn't get into the Arsenal side anyway.

Can also be Masch-Xavi-Busquets with Iniesta on the wing.

To be honest I think you are trying to argue here when you aren't as clued up on Barca as me, Aly or the others. Pedro isn't a fringe player.

Luxz0rz wrote:

Jamie wrote:Iniesta can play on the wing too.

Then who plays in the midfield? Pedro is doing well to make it better for Guardiola to play him on the wing and have Iniesta in midfield instead of playing someone like Keita and dropping Pedro for Iniesta....no offence to Keita but he probably wouldn't get into the Arsenal XI anyway.

Danny B wrote:But seen as there's not much competition for his spot and he's first choice left winger, he's not a fringe player.

Messi's not got much competition on the right wing, is he a fringe player as well now?

Yeah, you're not the only one who can post total crap

It's about the quality of the player in terms of the team, not the competition that player has.

Messi is one of/the best player in the team. Pedro clearly isn't......he's way down the pecking order in the XI....maybe 9/10th most important.

Javier Mascherano?

I'm tired of this, you clearly don't have a clue what fringe player means

Jamie wrote:
Can also be Masch-Xavi-Busquets with Iniesta on the wing.

Which has surprised me as I expected Mascherano to be important. But hey.....sometimes it's about balance. Obviously Guardiola doesn't want to play Masch and Busquets at once.....they don't really need two players like that.

Jamie wrote:
To be honest I think you are trying to argue here when you aren't as clued up on Barca as me, Aly or the others. Pedro isn't a fringe player.

That's like totally your opinion man.

Danny B wrote:I'm tired of this, you clearly don't have a clue what fringe player means

The fact that this is STILL your prerogative shows how immature you are.

There's a clear difference between your intellect and Ahly's. Jamie is alright but likes to make my life more difficult than it has to be

The-Reporter wrote:Nobodys seen Pedro without the super Barca team or Spain team around him.

Arshavin has done alot more individually.

Typical response. They say the same thing about Messi. Just because a player is loyal and sticks with the same team full of greats around him doesn't take anything away from his talent. How do you know that Pedro would not be good if he were to play with any other team?

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Let's go back to what started this whole argument first. I said Barca without Messi, is still good because they have Villa, Pedro, Xavi, and Iniesta. Why does it matter if Pedro isn't as good as the ones previously mentioned? Let's even imagine he is a fringe player. Why is that relevant?

I moved the subject....I wasn't focusing on Messi, Villa, Xavi or Iniesta...just Pedro. I found it quite funny to name Pedro alongside those players when he doesn't blow Arsenal out of the water at all.

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Whatever a fringe player is "supposed" to be. I've made my own definition, I've clearly explained what I mean and if that is not enough for you to get over it and focus on the proper points then that's pretty sad tbh.

I didn't say he blows Arsenal out of the water, but those 4 players can still get the job done in Messi absence, which was my whole point in the beginning. But then you go on something totally irrelevant.

19Jones19v wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:

coolmarvin wrote:In a proper starting XI for Arsenal, Pedro would get in ahead of Walcott. Don't see how that's so far-fetched. Arsenal aren't a team that rely on speed, so that isn't a good enough excuse for Walcott starting.

That's where you're wrong, in a proper starting 11, Walcott nor Pedro would get into the starting lineup. This is what it would be if everyone is fit:

Fabianski

Sagna-Djourou/Squillaci-Vermaelen-Clichy

Song

Fabregas-Nasri

Van Persie-Chamakh-Arshavin

OK so you are saying Arshavin is better than Pedro? Because that's where I would put him. Nasri plays CM.

Oh dear . Arshavin>>>>>>Pedro even if Arshavin isn't the same type of player in 08. Pedro can not win a game on his own, Pedro can not find killer passes, Pedro can not make something out of nothing, Pedro can not score take 4 shots at goal and score on each occasion, I can go on. Yes Nasri's preferred position is midfield, but in our current starting 11 he plays right wing, either way:
Nasri>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pedro
Arshavin>>>>>>>Pedro

You clearly don't watch Pedro. He can make killer passes, assist his teammates, and grab several goals. He has 10 goals and 9 assists this season.

Pedro >>>>>>>>> Arsenal.

Yes Arsenal are shit.

Happy now? Done sucking Pedro's dick? Good.

Wow, Jones. Really.

Pedro can do all those things you listed. Had to do a double take a make sure you where talking about Pedro and not Valdes.

With Pedro and Arshavin on the wings, any striker would bag 20+ goals a season.

Luxz0rz wrote:

The fact that this is STILL your prerogative shows how immature you are.

No, it shows how dumb you're being. At I guess, I imagine a Barca fringe player would be perhaps someone like Bojan, Jeffren, or Adriano. Will start games when the squad is rotated, and that's about it.

The-Reporter wrote:Pedro >>>>>>>>> Arsenal.

Yes Arsenal are shit.

Happy now? Done sucking Pedro's dick? Good.

Nobody is claiming that Arsenal is shit, so grow the fuck up. When you have people claiming the following, all you can do is laugh...

"Pedro can not win a game on his own, Pedro can not find killer passes, Pedro can not make something out of nothing, Pedro can not score take 4 shots at goal and score on each occasion, I can go on."

ahlycotc wrote:Typical response. They say the same thing about Messi. Just because a player is loyal and sticks with the same team full of greats around him doesn't take anything away from his talent. How do you know that Pedro would not be good if he were to play with any other team?

How do you know that he would be good? It's a question of two halves......tbh I'm just being the Devil's advocate....trying to prove either point is redundant as until Pedro moves (if he ever does) and proves that he isn't good just because of Barcelona or that he is actually good whatever the team.....we will never know.

ahlycotc wrote:
I didn't say he blows Arsenal out of the water, but those 4 players can still get the job done in Messi absence, which was my whole point in the beginning. But then you go on something totally irrelevant.

I went onto something totally irrelevant...but so what? I'm not obliged to stick just to your specific point.

Ronaldo, Benzema, Kaka and the fat guy out of the stands could still get the job done without Higuain. Pedro is a fat guy out of the stands but the principal remains.....

Danny B wrote:No, it shows how dumb you're being. At I guess, I imagine a Barca fringe player would be perhaps someone like Bojan, Jeffren, or Adriano. Will start games when the squad is rotated, and that's about it.

I don't care what you imagine. I know what you mean I'm not stupid I got it the first time and don't need to be shouted at 100 times. That is not what I mean though. If you want to come up with a word other than "fringe player" to describe what Pedro is to "correct" me then be my guest...but it doesn't really matter.

ahlycotc wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:Pedro >>>>>>>>> Arsenal.

Yes Arsenal are shit.

Happy now? Done sucking Pedro's dick? Good.

Nobody is claiming that Arsenal is shit, so grow the fuck up. When you have people claiming the following, all you can do is laugh...

"Pedro can not win a game on his own, Pedro can not find killer passes, Pedro can not make something out of nothing, Pedro can not score take 4 shots at goal and score on each occasion, I can go on."

Pedro is a good player, if you think he's better than Arshavin fair enough.

Why don't you leave it at that?

What do you mean grow up.. you're the one arguing like a little bitch.

Danny B wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:

The fact that this is STILL your prerogative shows how immature you are.

No, it shows how dumb you're being. At I guess, I imagine a Barca fringe player would be perhaps someone like Bojan, Jeffren, or Adriano. Will start games when the squad is rotated, and that's about it.

Yes, fringe players are like Bojan, Jeffren, Adriano, Mascherano, Keita, etc. Those are players who don't typically start matches and come on later in the game. They rotate between the bench and the field. Pedro however, starts pretty much every fucking match and cannot be called a fringe player.

ahlycotc wrote:Yes, fringe players are like Bojan, Jeffren, Adriano, Mascherano, Keita, etc. Those are players who don't typically start matches and come on later in the game. They rotate between the bench and the field. Pedro however, starts pretty much every fucking match and cannot be called a fringe player.

Ok, invent a new fucking word then.

Look I swore, I'm cool.

Only here can people argue about something that was decided at least a page ago.

Sean CFC wrote:

Only here can people argue about something that was decided at least a page ago.

It's a male pride thing. It comes hand in hand with a discussion board tbh....it's better than when moderators close threads and stop the conversation entirely.

Sean CFC wrote:

Only here can people argue about something that was decided at least a page ago.

Oh and what was the decision oh great one?

ahlycotc wrote:

Danny B wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:

The fact that this is STILL your prerogative shows how immature you are.

No, it shows how dumb you're being. At I guess, I imagine a Barca fringe player would be perhaps someone like Bojan, Jeffren, or Adriano. Will start games when the squad is rotated, and that's about it.

Yes, fringe players are like Bojan, Jeffren, Adriano, Mascherano, Keita, etc. Those are players who don't typically start matches and come on later in the game. They rotate between the bench and the field. Pedro however, starts pretty much every fucking match and cannot be called a fringe player.

That's wha I've been saying. Put it this way, at Man Utd it's players like Macheda, Owen, Evans, Fabio etc...
It's players you'd commonly call "the kids"

The-Reporter wrote:

Sean CFC wrote:

Only here can people argue about something that was decided at least a page ago.

Oh and what was the decision oh great one?

Pedro is not a fringe player.

Danny B wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Danny B wrote:

Luxz0rz wrote:

The fact that this is STILL your prerogative shows how immature you are.

No, it shows how dumb you're being. At I guess, I imagine a Barca fringe player would be perhaps someone like Bojan, Jeffren, or Adriano. Will start games when the squad is rotated, and that's about it.

Yes, fringe players are like Bojan, Jeffren, Adriano, Mascherano, Keita, etc. Those are players who don't typically start matches and come on later in the game. They rotate between the bench and the field. Pedro however, starts pretty much every fucking match and cannot be called a fringe player.

That's wha I've been saying. Put it this way, at Man Utd it's players like Macheda, Owen, Evans, Fabio etc...
It's players you'd commonly call "the kids"

Owen is like 30?