Summer Transfers 2015

Intelligent Rawkite wrote:I decided I wasn't going to post on the main forum anymore, but after seeing the Sakho thread on the front page and some of the shite being posted here I couldn't help myself.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, Sakho is the litmus test I use to decide whether people's opinion on football is worthwhile. If they use any combination of the phrases "can't pass", "Bambi on ice", "Djimi Traore" or "error prone" I immediately lose any respect for their opinions.


Firstly Sakho's passing:



Against the so called "top CBs", his accuracy is better, he creates more chances, completes more key passes, and has a pretty impressive average pass + forward pass rate, which disregards any "he just passes sideways" bullshit that could arise.

Secondly Sakho's overall effect on the team: (Slightly out of date, doesn't include any post February results I believe, which would make Sakho appear even better)



We concede double the goals when he doesn't play.


The amount of errors he concedes, as pointed out previously, is far below the average of PL centre backs. However, because he has a strange technique with long limbs, and the Martin Tyler and Andy Townsend shout "HE'S A BIT AWKWARD IS SAKHO", then people regurgitate it as fact, and it gains enough traction that it just becomes accepted without any real thought or questioning.


Next comes leadership, the lad has been a captain since a young age, even at PSG. He's a natural leader, as the lads on TAW pointed out, when Can got done against Stoke and we conceded, the only one who went over to go and get his head up and help him was Sakho. It's also been commented how huge it was for the U21s to have him in the dressing room against Everton in the mini derby.

The 2 areas he needs to improve are:

A) Injury record
B) Offensive heading ability

1 hopefully will be sorted next year, and the other is coachable.

In a period where Liverpool are losing leaders all over the show, Sakho is one of the only remaining.


I find it hilarious how people claim they have no agenda against Sakho, then the moment they're presented with facts and evidence that show Sakho isn't anywhere near as error prone or awkward as people think, they're ready to disregard them and carry on pushing their unsupported opinion. Or as it's better known "agenda".



Sakho is the "accident waiting to happen" that very rarely does. And IMO one of the very few top level potential players we have in our squad.

Keyser Söze wrote:He failed at rugby tackling an opponent and you called it excellent defending. Really not much to say after that. Shows you aren't interested in a serious discussion, you just want to desperately act like this isn't getting to you when you were literally crying about it a few days ago.

Scott_LFC wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:He failed at rugby tackling an opponent and you called it excellent defending. Really not much to say after that. Shows you aren't interested in a serious discussion, you just want to desperately act like this isn't getting to you when you were literally crying about it a few days ago.

So did Glen, why aren't you taking it up with him?

I don't think you know what literally means.

Keyser Söze wrote:

Scott_LFC wrote:

So did Glen, why aren't you taking it up with him?

I don't think you know what literally means.

I'm not taking it up with you  Anyone that says it was good defending isn't interested in a serious discussion, and since you're the one bitching about me changing the subject I directed that post at you, obviously.

I have no doubt that tears were all over your keyboard. Just like when I exposed your 2:2 Media degree.

Like I've said before, bar the first 2-3 games of the season Sakho have only ever played in the PL during that run. So anyone that says he has "5 moronic minutes every game" is basing it off that run. And since he played in a fairly settled defence during that run it means that Sakho has no excuse. Especially since you've said Can and Skrtel are also not to blame.

   

Intelligent Rawkite wrote:The amount of errors he concedes, as pointed out previously, is far below the average of PL centre backs. However, because he has a strange technique with long limbs, and then Martin Tyler and Andy Townsend shout "HE'S A BIT AWKWARD IS SAKHO", then people regurgitate it as fact, and it gains enough traction that it just becomes accepted without any real thought or questioning.

Glen Miller wrote:Are you referring to his losing the ball?  You seem to be referring to the tackle.  I have no problem with a defender fouling a quicker player to prevent him from running into a dangerous position.  From memory Dembele was running in on goal with only Skrtel (no pace) covering.

Scott_LFC wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:

I'm not taking it up with you  Anyone that says it was good defending isn't interested in a serious discussion, and since you're the one bitching about me changing the subject I directed that post at you, obviously.

I have no doubt that tears were all over your keyboard. Just like when I exposed your 2:2 Media degree.

Like I've said before, bar the first 2-3 games of the season Sakho have only ever played in the PL during that run. So anyone that says he has "5 moronic minutes every game" is basing it off that run. And since he played in a fairly settled defence during that run it means that Sakho has no excuse. Especially since you've said Can and Skrtel are also not to blame.

   

Stop bringing up unrelated crap, it reeks of desperation

A moronic 5 minutes every game is probably an exaggeration. He has his moments, but okay, even if it were 5 minutes a game, that's only 5 minutes out of 90 So he's solid for the other 85 minutes plus injury time.. that's not unimpressive at all. But like I said, 5 minutes per game is probably an exaggeration, so in reality it's a lot less frequent than that. Anyway, your past posts were basically saying he's shit all the time, yet now you're seemingly conceding that he's only shit for 5 minutes per game?

This quote from the post I quoted from RAWK sums you up:

Intelligent Rawkite wrote:The amount of errors he concedes, as pointed out previously, is far below the average of PL centre backs. However, because he has a strange technique with long limbs, and then Martin Tyler and Andy Townsend shout "HE'S A BIT AWKWARD IS SAKHO", then people regurgitate it as fact, and it gains enough traction that it just becomes accepted without any real thought or questioning.

Spot on.

How about you actually provide some evidence that he's a poor player? Instead of the lazy "If you watch him play you'll see that he's shit"

Keyser Söze wrote:

Glen Miller wrote:Are you referring to his losing the ball?  You seem to be referring to the tackle.  I have no problem with a defender fouling a quicker player to prevent him from running into a dangerous position.  From memory Dembele was running in on goal with only Skrtel (no pace) covering.

I'm referring to the fact if you have to drag down a player on the halfway line like that then it's bad defending. Clearly if he's in on goal then pulling him down is better than letting him go through, but it's still obviously bad defending to be in that position in the 1st place.    

Scott_LFC wrote:

Stop bringing up unrelated crap, it reeks of desperation

A moronic 5 minutes every game is probably an exaggeration. He has his moments, but okay, even if it were 5 minutes a game, that's only 5 minutes out of 90 So he's solid for the other 85 minutes plus injury time.. that's not unimpressive at all. But like I said, 5 minutes per game is probably an exaggeration, so in reality it's a lot less frequent than that. Anyway, your past posts were basically saying he's shit all the time, yet now you're seemingly conceding that he's only shit for 5 minutes per game?

This quote from the post I quoted from RAWK sums you up:



Spot on.

How about you actually provide some evidence that he's a poor player? Instead of the lazy "If you watch him play you'll see that he's shit"

You posted pointless gifs of Sakho dancing, you're throwing back this narrative of me being "desperate" after I already used it on you, you're posting multiple in your post for no reason. Yeah it's me that's desperate.

"Anyway, your past posts were basically saying he's shit all the time"

What? Is this a serious comment? Can you think of one player that's shit every second of every game he plays? It nearly impossible for top level football players. My critique of him is that he has more bad/average moments than he does good. That to me is what makes a player bad/not good/shit.

And I don't think I've ever commented on his physique. In fact I've always advocated for Arsenal to sign big, tall, gangly black players like Sakho. Also that point about errors is a lie, if you look at the 4 players in that squawka comparison with Sakho they have all committed less errors per game than him.

Keyser Söze wrote:Why did you edit of "you snake" and replace it with ?

Keyser Söze wrote:He also has more than Richard Dunne. But If we put Sakho in QPR's amazing team I'm sure he'd improve his stats, right?

Scott_LFC wrote:

Sakho ruining 2 Arsenal players with his ball control.

Scott_LFC wrote:At the World Cup:



Highest pass completion, most blocks, no defensive errors, only one with no fouls committed (BUT HE'S SO CLUMSY AND ERROR PRONE!) and the best defensive score.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scott_LFC wrote:At the World Cup:



Highest pass completion, most blocks, no defensive errors, only one with no fouls committed (BUT HE'S SO CLUMSY AND ERROR PRONE!) and the best defensive score.

It's 4 games.

Scott_LFC wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

It's 4 games.

So? Same applies for the other 3 defenders you numbskull.

Keyser Söze wrote:So you agree Sakho has been shit for Liverpool?

Scott_LFC wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

It's 4 games.

So? Same applies for the other 3 defenders you numbskull.