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Eternal Witcher wrote:
Thursday already, and the tenth highest only has 50, forum's dead.

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My nan is buying me a new PS3 and FIFA because she's sick of me and my brother going to her's to play it

Mustangt125 wrote:Hov is definitely in the game, one of the tops in the game, and one of the tops of all time.

Anybody who argues contrary is simply ill-informed or stupid.

You don't have to like him but to acknowledge he isn't one of the best ever is silly.

It's not stupid to think Jay Z isn't as great as he was when he rapped with Big L, his flow was faster and that was when he was at his best.

He's still one of the best rappers now but who does he honestly compete with? Eminem? He's awful now as he had to switch his style up to fit in with todays music. Lil Wayne....Flo Rider?

Bushido wrote:

Mustangt125 wrote:Hov is definitely in the game, one of the tops in the game, and one of the tops of all time.

Anybody who argues contrary is simply ill-informed or stupid.

You don't have to like him but to acknowledge he isn't one of the best ever is silly.

It's not stupid to think Jay Z isn't as great as he was when he rapped with Big L, his flow was faster and that was when he was at his best.

He's still one of the best rappers now but who does he honestly compete with? Eminem? He's awful now as he had to switch his style up to fit in with todays music. Lil Wayne....Flo Rider?

Eminem's last album was made bad on purpose, illuminati brah, and he is not awful. He is still one of the greatest rappers alive.

Lupe Fiasco, Mos Def etc. Are the best rappers alive imo.

Bushido wrote:

Mustangt125 wrote:Hov is definitely in the game, one of the tops in the game, and one of the tops of all time.

Anybody who argues contrary is simply ill-informed or stupid.

You don't have to like him but to acknowledge he isn't one of the best ever is silly.

It's not stupid to think Jay Z isn't as great as he was when he rapped with Big L, his flow was faster and that was when he was at his best.

He's still one of the best rappers now but who does he honestly compete with? Eminem? He's awful now as he had to switch his style up to fit in with todays music. Lil Wayne....Flo Rider?

The fact that you mentioned FLO RIDER explains everything.

Who is he competing with? Mainly...

Kanye West
Rick Ross
Drake

These guys have been consistently hot for years now.

Lil Wayne, Em, Nas have been top 5 before but lately have fallen off, they have the talent but are not producing. Nas really stepped it up with his last album though.

Then you have a guy like Kendrick Lamar who are coming up huge.

SBTRKT wrote:

Bushido wrote:

It's not stupid to think Jay Z isn't as great as he was when he rapped with Big L, his flow was faster and that was when he was at his best.

He's still one of the best rappers now but who does he honestly compete with? Eminem? He's awful now as he had to switch his style up to fit in with todays music. Lil Wayne....Flo Rider?

Eminem's last album was made bad on purpose, illuminati brah, and he is not awful. He is still one of the greatest rappers alive.

Lupe Fiasco, Mos Def etc. Are the best rappers alive imo.

Old Eminem was better due to the emotion and anger in his voice. He's just not the same, anybody who knows anything about 'Hip-hop' knows this.

Eminem will comeback one day. I think he is just focused on producing tbh.

dena wrote:

Bushido wrote:

It's not stupid to think Jay Z isn't as great as he was when he rapped with Big L, his flow was faster and that was when he was at his best.

He's still one of the best rappers now but who does he honestly compete with? Eminem? He's awful now as he had to switch his style up to fit in with todays music. Lil Wayne....Flo Rider?

The fact that you mentioned FLO RIDER explains everything.

Who is he competing with? Mainly...

Kanye West
Rick Ross
Drake

These guys have been consistently hot for years now.

Lil Wayne, Em, Nas have been top 5 before but lately have fallen off, they have the talent but are not producing. Nas really stepped it up with his last album though.

Then you have a guy like Kendrick Lamar who are coming up huge.

Drake and Rick Ross

The rap game is dead when you think what it used to be.

Drake is the only one out on Young Money I can listen to. Other than him the rest are terrible. There are still some good hip-hop artists today, except no one has heard of them.

Rick Ross



blu

Seems like you're basing this off lyricism, we aren't talking about lyricism, we are talking about whose hot right now.

Unforutantely rap has changed, in the 80s-90s the beats were simpler, and it was about telling a story and being clever with your lyrics, listen to Illamtic, Reasonable Doubt, Ready to Die, etc. the beats are really simple. Plain beat breaks, drums, some samples, etc.



Then in the late 90s-present beats have evolved, the rhythm and the tone set by the beat is more important than the lyrics to some extent, it's more about flow and how you say something rather than what you are saying.



EDIT: This is a bad example of high production / low lyricism because the lyrics are actually very good on this track, but the production is so loud, so bombastic, it's like stadium music.

So now to determine the best in the game you are talking about Lyricism, Production, Sales, Popularity, and I don't know how to call it but I guess "swag" or influence. And if that's what you are talking about the top 5 looks an awful lot like

Jay-Z
Ross
Drake
Kanye
Wayne

You have to take all these things into account.

SBTRKT wrote:Drake is the only one out on Young Money I can listen to. Other than him the rest are terrible. There are still some good hip-hop artists today, except no one has heard of them.

Rick Ross



blu

Hey, I love Blu, Below the Heavens is one of the best project of 2011, but see above. If we are talking about who is the best OVERALL, or who is the HOTTEST, there is more to account for than lyrics.

You lost all credibility when you said SWAG. Also Drake and Lil Wayne....

So Justin Beiber is great because he's hot right now..? (moving away from the 'rap game')

My laptop appears to have blocked all porn sites somehow

You're a terrible person to debate with man, you pick two things I say and ignore the rest. I think we generally agree on what is "good rap music" if you say "who are the best lyricists in the game" I think our lists our similar, if you say who is the hottest, it's different. We were talking about the hottest (most popular, biggest influence) yesterday, and that's what I'm talking about now. Stop nitpicking.

dena wrote:You're a terrible person to debate with man, you pick two things I say and ignore the rest. I think we generally agree on what is "good rap music" if you say "who are the best lyricists in the game" I think our lists our similar, if you say who is the hottest, it's different. We were talking about the hottest (most popular, biggest influence) yesterday, and that's what I'm talking about now. Stop nitpicking.

I'm talking about the music not popularity.

Bushido wrote:You lost all credibility when you said SWAG. Also Drake and Lil Wayne....

So Justin Beiber is great because he's hot right now..? (moving away from the 'rap game')

NO, LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING.

Beiber is popular as hell, he sells well, sells out arena's, etc. And when you are talking about a hot artist that's a huge part, the other part is content, and he's terrible at that. He's a terrible musician but a good artist and salesman, there is a difference.

If I were to break down each rapper on my list based off of.

Lyricism
Sales
Popularity/Influence

and some other factors then I think the rappers who I put out are going to be top 5, base it off lyricism alone and it's different.

dena wrote:

Bushido wrote:You lost all credibility when you said SWAG. Also Drake and Lil Wayne....

So Justin Beiber is great because he's hot right now..? (moving away from the 'rap game')

NO, LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING.

Beiber is popular as hell, he sells well, sells out arena's, etc. And when you are talking about a hot artist that's a huge part, the other part is content, and he's terrible at that. He's a terrible musician but a good artist and salesman, there is a difference.

If I were to break down each rapper on my list based off of.

Lyricism
Sales
Popularity/Influence

and some other factors then I think the rappers who I put out are going to be top 5, base it off lyricism alone and it's different.

Chill, man.

Bushido wrote:

dena wrote:You're a terrible person to debate with man, you pick two things I say and ignore the rest. I think we generally agree on what is "good rap music" if you say "who are the best lyricists in the game" I think our lists our similar, if you say who is the hottest, it's different. We were talking about the hottest (most popular, biggest influence) yesterday, and that's what I'm talking about now. Stop nitpicking.

I'm talking about the music not popularity.

Ok, so let's bring it back to the original points.

Musically, Jay-Z is still one of the best in the games.

Let's take a look at his last few projects

Black Album - critically acclaimed,
Kindgom Come - average/below average
American Gangster - critically acclaimed
BP3 - average
WTT - critically acclaimed

That's 3 critically acclaimed albums, 1 average album, and 1 poor (to me) album. Take into account the features he's done and you can't say he's not putting out good music.

dena wrote:

Bushido wrote:

I'm talking about the music not popularity.

Ok, so let's bring it back to the original points.

Musically, Jay-Z is still one of the best in the games.

Let's take a look at his last few projects

Black Album - critically acclaimed,
Kindgom Come - average/below average
American Gangster - critically acclaimed
BP3 - average
WTT - critically acclaimed

That's 3 critically acclaimed albums, 1 average album, and 1 poor (to me) album. Take into account the features he's done and you can't say he's not putting out good music.

Old Jay-Z >

I dislike fast tempo rap. So I'll always go with Jay-Z of Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, American Gangster style

Bushido wrote:Old Jay-Z >

That is shite man.

FIFA soundtrack is shit.

Old>New, give that a break.

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Danny wrote:Laptop for my birthday, delivered today.

What laptop have you got?