Manchester United FC Official Thread

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/blackburn-rovers-boss-wants-sir-850478

Would be good if true.

Sounds like Hazard's going to Chelsea. Now let's get that Kagawa deal done.

Nick Powell.

Fucking cunts.

Kuled wrote:Sounds like Hazard's going to Chelsea. Now let's get that Kagawa deal done.

I don't understand that, seriously, why Chelsea?

Bitterness rant alert coming up btw.

He wants to play in the #10 role, well that's where Mata plays, so now Mata is moved to another part of the pitch? They signed him for what £24M, only a season ago, and he has actually played very well so just like that they are replacing Mata. Doesn't that directly show that Chelsea may promise you playing time and the position of your choice, but when it comes down to it they would discard that promise within a season?

Torres was signed for £50M promised a key position, although he failed to live up to that obviously, a £50M player became a bench player at best, with a handful of appearances, mostly late subs to his name. Encouraging.

There are also numerous young players who went to Chelsea and had their careers hindred, delayed or stunted. Shaun Wright Phillips, Glen Johnson, Wayne Bridge, Joe Cole (*eh*), Scott Parker, Scott Sinclair, Ben Sahar, Franco Di Santo, Yuri Zhirkov...

It boggles my mind.

its only rumours, just like there were rumours 2 days ago saying we had tied the deal up

Not to mention they're without a manager so Abrahmovic is only buying players he likes, not the manager to be.

What is the point in having Ferguson when his tactics are shit, his signings are unnecessary, and the best young players aren't interested in playing for him?

his tactics are not shit, they are just not the best. but he is mostly the manager nowadays not the coach. there is no one better at player management and youth development. hell fergies speech at the Man Utd awards after the day 'which shall never be spoken about ever again' made me wanna go out there and fight it was superb

which signings are unnecessary? Young and De Gea were both essential signings in my book and made a huge impact (de gea second half of season). Jones was to replace oshea, i think this was right call too, it probably helped with wages too

And if hazard doesnt choose us then no manager would have made him come here...

The best at youth development? Who has he brought through in the last 10 years? Welbeck, a slightly above average striker, Darren Fletcher, a player with low talent and high aggression, and Jonny Evans, who is a pretty reasonable player. Are there some I'm missing here? You can make an argument for C. Ronaldo but he was a big money signing and I reckon he'd have become a fantastic player regardless, he's certainly improved since he was allowed to leave United, and for every Ronaldo there's an Anderson or a Tosic/Bebe/Obertan/Diouf/Manucho.

Even if we accept your argument that he's still the best at youth development (and I'd look at Barcelona for that BTW), what good is it when none of the best young players are interested in playing for him?

Pogba - looks to be leaving the club
Pique - Ferguson begged him to stay and he didn't want to know
Morrison - Ferguson was incapable of controlling him
Oezil - turned him down
Ramsey - decided to go to Arsenal(!) instead
Benzema - turned him down

What exactly does he do that another top manager wouldn't be able to?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:The best at youth development? Who has he brought through in the last 10 years? Welbeck, a slightly above average striker, Darren Fletcher, a player with low talent and high aggression, and Jonny Evans, who is a pretty reasonable player. Are there some I'm missing here? You can make an argument for C. Ronaldo but he was a big money signing and I reckon he'd have become a fantastic player regardless, he's certainly improved since he was allowed to leave United, and for every Ronaldo there's an Anderson or a Tosic/Bebe/Obertan/Diouf/Manucho.

Even if we accept your argument that he's still the best at youth development (and I'd look at Barcelona for that BTW), what good is it when none of the best young players are interested in playing for him?

Pogba - looks to be leaving the club
Pique - Ferguson begged him to stay and he didn't want to know
Morrison - Ferguson was incapable of controlling him
Oezil - turned him down
Ramsey - decided to go to Arsenal(!) instead
Benzema - turned him down

What exactly does he do that another top manager wouldn't be able to?

His loyalty to his young prospects is commendable though. Just look at Fletcher, Nani, Ronaldo (before he became a superstar), Rooney, Anderson, Carrick (well, never really young), Rio Ferdinand, etc, etc.

Laurencio wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:The best at youth development? Who has he brought through in the last 10 years? Welbeck, a slightly above average striker, Darren Fletcher, a player with low talent and high aggression, and Jonny Evans, who is a pretty reasonable player. Are there some I'm missing here? You can make an argument for C. Ronaldo but he was a big money signing and I reckon he'd have become a fantastic player regardless, he's certainly improved since he was allowed to leave United, and for every Ronaldo there's an Anderson or a Tosic/Bebe/Obertan/Diouf/Manucho.

Even if we accept your argument that he's still the best at youth development (and I'd look at Barcelona for that BTW), what good is it when none of the best young players are interested in playing for him?

Pogba - looks to be leaving the club
Pique - Ferguson begged him to stay and he didn't want to know
Morrison - Ferguson was incapable of controlling him
Oezil - turned him down
Ramsey - decided to go to Arsenal(!) instead
Benzema - turned him down

What exactly does he do that another top manager wouldn't be able to?

His loyalty to his young prospects is commendable though. Just look at Fletcher, Nani, Ronaldo (before he became a superstar), Rooney, Anderson, Carrick (well, never really young), Rio Ferdinand, etc, etc.

Loyalty isn't admirable in business or football, it's irrational. Rooney was a world record signing for a teenager when he was signed, Anderson was a €30m signing, Carrick was signed in his mid 20s, Ferdinand was a world record for a defender, his loyalty to Fletcher has held us back. Nani was a good call I'll grant that, but he was what, £15m, £20m? He's not exactly unearthing diamonds from the rough here.

Not sure if posted but here it goes.

Ji Sung Park wrote:I think we will sign Kagawa, I say this because I just bumped into Bobby Charlton, he patted me and said "welcome to the club, Shinji"

The Bat-Man wrote:Not sure if posted but here it goes.

Ji Sung Park wrote:I think we will sign Kagawa, I say this because I just bumped into Bobby Charlton, he patted me and said "welcome to the club, Shinji"

is that a real quote?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

His loyalty to his young prospects is commendable though. Just look at Fletcher, Nani, Ronaldo (before he became a superstar), Rooney, Anderson, Carrick (well, never really young), Rio Ferdinand, etc, etc.

Loyalty isn't admirable in business or football, it's irrational. Rooney was a world record signing for a teenager when he was signed, Anderson was a €30m signing, Carrick was signed in his mid 20s, Ferdinand was a world record for a defender, his loyalty to Fletcher has held us back. Nani was a good call I'll grant that, but he was what, £15m, £20m? He's not exactly unearthing diamonds from the rough here.

As long as the business remains profitable and successful, loyalty is a luxury you can afford. ManUtd are certainly not suffering in terms of business, we're more profitable now than ever before, and we have the highest revenue in football.

How is Hazard different? Would cost a bundle, is obviously talented and will quickly get the support he wants/needs from the club and the manager. What it shows is that if he comes here Fergie will do his utmost to help him succeed and make him into the star he can become.

I personally don't see any other club in the world that can offer him what we can. Success, playing time and complete support.

The Bat-Man wrote:Not sure if posted but here it goes.

Ji Sung Park wrote:I think we will sign Kagawa, I say this because I just bumped into Bobby Charlton, he patted me and said "welcome to the club, Shinji"

as said even if they are already "huge promise" he always makes sure that promise is realized. Ronaldo after the scandal with rooney, handled perfectly. he went to portugal to reassure ronaldo it will be fine him coming back to england

Benzema didnt choose us and that set him back 1-2 years
we did not beg pique to stay lmao, we just couldnt keep him cause he would never start ahead of rio and vidic

if a promising player knows whats best for him he will come here

ferguson is clueless

mauro=beast wrote:ferguson is clueless

He can't be completely clueless though Mauro. He's certainly no tactical genius, compared to most Italian managers he's tactically incompetent, however he must be doing something right considering all the trophies he's won.

Laurencio wrote:As long as the business remains profitable and successful, loyalty is a luxury you can afford. ManUtd are certainly not suffering in terms of business, we're more profitable now than ever before, and we have the highest revenue in football.

How is Hazard different? Would cost a bundle, is obviously talented and will quickly get the support he wants/needs from the club and the manager. What it shows is that if he comes here Fergie will do his utmost to help him succeed and make him into the star he can become.

I personally don't see any other club in the world that can offer him what we can. Success, playing time and complete support.

Profit and revenue are a means to an end as far as football is concerned. I would much rather be the Champions of England or Europe than have the highest revenue in football. Who is happier with their season, the two clubs who constantly haemorrage money and have no loyalty or the club with the highest revenue in football who has loyalty to players with chronic illnesses?

This is the problem, no other club can offer him what we can, and it's apparent that Ferguson can't convince him to sign. How can this be? Someone's not doing their job properly there.

ViVaRooney wrote:as said even if they are already "huge promise" he always makes sure that promise is realized. Ronaldo after the scandal with rooney, handled perfectly. he went to portugal to reassure ronaldo it will be fine him coming back to england

Benzema didnt choose us and that set him back 1-2 years
we did not beg pique to stay lmao, we just couldnt keep him cause he would never start ahead of rio and vidic

if a promising player knows whats best for him he will come here

Ronaldo stayed because he had a contract, he was desperate to leave in 2008 as well but Ferguson held him against his will. I'm not sure the very best players want to play for a man like Ferguson, Tevez split because he was unhappy with Ferguson's treatment of him, Berbatov's going to leave because he's been treated like shit. A good few have stayed, mainly those who he snared when they were very young, or those on extortionate wages, but he doesn't inspire the loyalty in his players that a man like Mourinho does.

How on earth do you know it set Benzema back 1-2 years?

And here's what Pique had to say about Ferguson

"I remember when I went to his office to tell him that I wanted to go because Barcelona wanted me. It was my city, the club where I had grown up and I wanted to return. He did not want me to leave, and said I had a future at the club and had high expectations of me," he said. "I wanted to go, but he sent me a letter telling me that for him it was difficult to let me go to Barcelona ."

Again, he couldn't convince a highly talented player to stay.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Laurencio wrote:As long as the business remains profitable and successful, loyalty is a luxury you can afford. ManUtd are certainly not suffering in terms of business, we're more profitable now than ever before, and we have the highest revenue in football.

How is Hazard different? Would cost a bundle, is obviously talented and will quickly get the support he wants/needs from the club and the manager. What it shows is that if he comes here Fergie will do his utmost to help him succeed and make him into the star he can become.

I personally don't see any other club in the world that can offer him what we can. Success, playing time and complete support.

Profit and revenue are a means to an end as far as football is concerned. I would much rather be the Champions of England or Europe than have the highest revenue in football. Who is happier with their season, the two clubs who constantly haemorrage money and have no loyalty or the club with the highest revenue in football who has loyalty to players with chronic illnesses?

This is the problem, no other club can offer him what we can, and it's apparent that Ferguson can't convince him to sign. How can this be? Someone's not doing their job properly there.

I agree with you on that. Simply poining out that loyalty is important for young developing players. As a business Manchester United is hugely successful.

Can't argue against that, if he doesn't sign for us that is.

Yay, pointless Fergie bashing. We haven't done this before!

Doesn't it bother you that he can't attract top players?

We'll see if he can when Hazard signs for a club.

Of course, even if we sign him you'll still attack him.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Laurencio wrote:As long as the business remains profitable and successful, loyalty is a luxury you can afford. ManUtd are certainly not suffering in terms of business, we're more profitable now than ever before, and we have the highest revenue in football.

How is Hazard different? Would cost a bundle, is obviously talented and will quickly get the support he wants/needs from the club and the manager. What it shows is that if he comes here Fergie will do his utmost to help him succeed and make him into the star he can become.

I personally don't see any other club in the world that can offer him what we can. Success, playing time and complete support.

Profit and revenue are a means to an end as far as football is concerned. I would much rather be the Champions of England or Europe than have the highest revenue in football. Who is happier with their season, the two clubs who constantly haemorrage money and have no loyalty or the club with the highest revenue in football who has loyalty to players with chronic illnesses?

This is the problem, no other club can offer him what we can, and it's apparent that Ferguson can't convince him to sign. How can this be? Someone's not doing their job properly there.

ViVaRooney wrote:as said even if they are already "huge promise" he always makes sure that promise is realized. Ronaldo after the scandal with rooney, handled perfectly. he went to portugal to reassure ronaldo it will be fine him coming back to england

Benzema didnt choose us and that set him back 1-2 years
we did not beg pique to stay lmao, we just couldnt keep him cause he would never start ahead of rio and vidic

if a promising player knows whats best for him he will come here

Ronaldo stayed because he had a contract, he was desperate to leave in 2008 as well but Ferguson held him against his will. I'm not sure the very best players want to play for a man like Ferguson, Tevez split because he was unhappy with Ferguson's treatment of him, Berbatov's going to leave because he's been treated like shit. A good few have stayed, mainly those who he snared when they were very young, or those on extortionate wages, but he doesn't inspire the loyalty in his players that a man like Mourinho does.

How on earth do you know it set Benzema back 1-2 years?

And here's what Pique had to say about Ferguson

"I remember when I went to his office to tell him that I wanted to go because Barcelona wanted me. It was my city, the club where I had grown up and I wanted to return. He did not want me to leave, and said I had a future at the club and had high expectations of me," he said. "I wanted to go, but he sent me a letter telling me that for him it was difficult to let me go to Barcelona ."

Again, he couldn't convince a highly talented player to stay.

cause benzema was benched for a year and a half at madrid. the only reason he got his chance was because higuain got a long term injury. even then the fans were all over him

the pique thing.. thats not really begging, exactly what i said, he couldnt guarantee pique starts since he wasnt good enough to be ahead of vidic and rio. and if he wanted to leave then we have no choice.

Tevez is a cunt, if you havent realized that by now then you are deluded

Berbatov was given the cold shoulder cause halfway through the season it was decided he would be sold.

Jose couldnt stop robben leaving at chelsea.. which was a huge loss to them

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Doesn't it bother you that he can't attract top players?

there is only so much he can do, players nowadays are after money and sunshine. they dont care about the history of clubs, you get a chance to sign for madrid in sunny spain or man utd in rainy manchester and you have no allegiance with either team you will choose madrid.

we rarely buy 25-30 year old players for big bucks anyway, we are not galacticos

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Doesn't it bother you that he can't attract top players?

there is only so much he can do, players nowadays are after money and sunshine. they dont care about the history of clubs, you get a chance to sign for madrid in sunny spain or man utd in rainy manchester and you have no allegiance with either team you will choose madrid.

we rarely buy 25-30 year old players for big bucks anyway, we are not galacticos

You get a shitload of money if you sign for United, not just an excellent basic salary, but the additional endorsements you get simply by virtue of being a Manchester United player. I say Hernandez and Welbeck in Nike adverts alongside the best players in the world last week, it gives your profile a massive boost to sign for United even if you're just an average player.

And as for your point about sunshine, yeah, that must be why City have struggled to attract players like Aguero and Balotelli. Hazard's probably signing for Chelsea because of the fantastic West London weather.

City have the extra money to make up for it... they are paying Yaya £250k a week ffs..

London is a far better city to be in then manchester too.. regardless of the weather. alot more shops and stuff suits the wives

time to wrap up kagawa and spend that hazard money on a midfielder

Hazard went for £170k p/w... FUCK THAT he is nowhere near proven enough to get that much

I think we should just give Dortmund the 16 million they want before we lose out on him as well.

no, £15.5m