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    Post by Guest Wed May 30, 2012 4:40 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Is this the famous scouse sense of humour that I'm missing? I've just had a look at his twitter account, Jesus, Mary and Joseph, if he's real he's as thick as pig shit.

    His comic sense is genius according to a liverpool thread I looked at.
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    Post by Mustangt125 Wed May 30, 2012 4:44 am

    Well then, the two candidates we are looking at, their best accomplishments seem to be having kept a team up in the PL. Is that it?
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Wed May 30, 2012 4:47 am

    Maybe Martinez turned it down so they went cap in hand to Rodgers?
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    Post by Mustangt125 Wed May 30, 2012 4:48 am

    Well if we get LVG hopefully he has some targets lined up.

    We seriously can't do worse than last summer.
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    Post by Dean Wed May 30, 2012 5:00 am

    Rodgers and LVG...I can see the sense in that. Both have similar footballing philosophies. And as I understand, Rodgers did a lot of research on LVG. Will post extracts from Van Gaal's book on training and diet and I'll post some stuff on Rodgers too, basically what the story is with him so far.

    Both good reads. Will post later if I have a chance.
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    Post by Mouse Wed May 30, 2012 5:05 am

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    R.E people telling me rodgers turned #lfc down: they will try again. if B.R gets the job expect a bid for joe allen, heavily scouted last yr
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    Post by Dean Wed May 30, 2012 5:07 am

    When did he tweet that Mike? Wasn't it a couple of weeks ago?
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    Post by Mustangt125 Wed May 30, 2012 5:07 am

    More importantly is Joe Allen any good
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    Post by Mouse Wed May 30, 2012 5:09 am

    Dean wrote:When did he tweet that Mike? Wasn't it a couple of weeks ago?
    Yeah it was mate, think it show's he's more credible again.
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    Post by Mouse Wed May 30, 2012 5:10 am

    Mustangt125 wrote:More importantly is Joe Allen any good
    Yeah he is, Swansea's best player if you ask me.
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    Post by Dean Wed May 30, 2012 5:12 am

    Duncan Jenkins is better than any Journalist. Been very good so far. Him and Macca from 'Liverpool Rumours' are the best out there.
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    Post by Harrold Wed May 30, 2012 5:13 am

    Mc Babel wrote:
    Mustangt125 wrote:More importantly is Joe Allen any good
    Yeah he is, Swansea's best player if you ask me.
    Scott Sinclair is. No bias. Liverpool FC Official Thread - Page 31 279869

    But seriously, yeah I'd agree with you on that, he was brilliant this season.
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    Post by Mouse Wed May 30, 2012 5:15 am

    Jenkins has really stuck his head over the parrot pit with this claim mates.
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    Post by Childish Logic Wed May 30, 2012 5:41 am

    Dean wrote:Rodgers and LVG...I can see the sense in that. Both have similar footballing philosophies. And as I understand, Rodgers did a lot of research on LVG. Will post extracts from Van Gaal's book on training and diet and I'll post some stuff on Rodgers too, basically what the story is with him so far.

    Both good reads. Will post later if I have a chance.

    Sweet as. I'm interested in this.
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    Post by Dean Wed May 30, 2012 6:05 am

    Brendan Rodgers:

    “I wanted to be the best I possibly could,” he said. “I had a great education coming through the English FA, did courses with the Scottish FA but I also went out and travelled.

    “I went to Spain, to Barcelona, Sevilla and Valencia. These are the best schools of football in the world, how they develop players. Then I spent time in Holland.

    That was the ideology of football that I liked. I educated myself, watching, studying and learning. I knew my basic principles but because I had stopped playing early I had the time to go and learn from the very best. And the model was always Spain.”
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    Rodgers, who landed his first top-level managerial position with Watford in November 2008 before a ill-fated six-month spell in charge at Reading a year later, said: “People talk about experience, but I was very fortunate to experience working with people like Mourinho and Scolari.

    “Some managers will never get that in a lifetime. I also worked in the most successful era in Chelsea’s history. I experienced Champions League games and FA Cup finals. It’s not too early but, of course, the pressures are totally different.

    “If that day ever comes, be it at 39, 49 or 59, it won’t be a case of me wondering whether I can work at that level. I have earned the respect of the biggest names in the game, both as a human being and as a coach.”
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    "I like teams to control and dominate the ball, so the players are hungry for the ball," Rodgers says. "You'll see in some of our exercises this morning, a lot of our work is around the transition and getting the ball back very quickly. Because I believe if you give a bad player time, he can play. If you give a good player time, he can kill you. So our emphasis is based around our positioning both with and without the ball. And for us, when we press well, we pass well."

    Winning the ball back quickly and high up the pitch was a key feature of Barcelona's approach under Pep Guardiola and, as Rodgers explains, is much more sophisticated than it may appear. "You cannot go on your own," he says. "You work on zonal pressure, so that when it is in your zone, you have the capacity to press. That ability to press immediately, within five or six seconds to get the ball, is important. But you also have to understand when you can't and what the triggers are then to go for it again because you can't run about like a madman.

    "When I first came in I said to the players, we will push ourselves in every element of training, so it's reflective of the real game, so I don't have to go on about intensity all the time because that is an obligation," says Rodgers, who closely watches training all of the time. "This morning's session is based around football strength, small-space work, lots of options on the ball and covering the principles of our game, which are possession, transition, pass-think, pass-think, pass-think and the core ingredient of hard work."

    They also get to perform for a manager who has a clear philosophy on how his team should play. Rodgers talks about four phases that underpin Swansea's approach when they have the ball. "There is the building and constructing from behind, the preparation through midfield, the creativity to arrive in the areas and then the taking of the goals. These are all areas that we have to continually improve on but that is the basis of our game and it doesn't change."
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    One of the few criticisms levelled at Swansea this season is that they often keep the ball in their own half or in areas where they are not hurting the opposition, although that argument is flawed in several respects. Rodgers points out that, while the primary reason for possession will always be to penetrate, the simple fact is that, while Swansea have the ball, the opposition are unable to score. He also says that by "recycling" the ball for long periods his team are able to recover. "The only time we rest is when we have the ball," the 39-year-old says. "When we haven't got the ball is the moment for intense pressure to get the ball back. But you can't go for 90 minutes, so in order to recuperate and conserve energy, we'll do that sometimes by building our way through the game — our tiki-taka football, our small lending games to keep the ball.

    "When we're stuck in the game, we go back to our default system, which is possession."
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    Post by Dean Wed May 30, 2012 6:11 am

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    Brendan Rodgers:

    Amidst FSG meeting Roberto Martinez, the rumour mill is abuzz that it is in fact Brendan Rodgers who is on top of the FSG wish list and apparently the FSG are ready to persuade Rodgers into reconsidering his decision. Amidst speculation that Rodgers is being considered for the job of manager at Roma too, we take a look at what exactly makes this man such a hot prospect.

    Career so far

    Brenda Rodgers’ playing career never took off and he retired from professional football at the age of 20. However, he took up coaching at Reading’s youth academy in 1995. He then travelled far and wide to clubs like Barcelona, Sevilla, Valencia, Ajax and Twente to learn the tricks of the trade.

    He was approached by Jose Mourinho, in 2004 to take over Chelsea’s U18 team. He quickly rose to become the manager of the Chelsea reserve team in 2006. His big break came when he was offered the managerial post at Watford in 2008. Impressed by his job at Watford, Reading came calling. He changed clubs in 2009 and joined Reading. His stint at Reading was unsuccessful and he left by mutual consent in December 2009.

    Six months later, he was offered the managerial position at Swansea. After leading them to a playoff spot in his first season in charge, he succeeded in gaining promotion into the Premier League. He led Swansea to a very impressive eleventh place finish in his debut season in the top flight, playing attractive, possession-based football.

    Managerial Philosophy

    Now to the interesting part. Ever since Kenny took over the reins eighteen months ago there has been a conscious attempt at bringing in the pass and move philosophy into the team. While how much have Liverpool really bought in the pass and move philosophy is open to judgment, it is undoubtedly the way forward. Swansea this season have really shown the world how it’s done. They are among the top ten teams in Europe with most possession and have been phenomenal all season.

    Arsenal have long been associated with playing “attractive” football based heavily on possession. They don’t just aim to win matches; they win matches with a swagger about them. And to teach Arsenal a lesson in possession football is something extraordinary, especially for a team in it’s first season in the top flight.

    I remember myself evaluating the teams at the start of the season, and I put Swansea as one of the favorites to go down. I mean QPR had a new owner who was ready to spend, and had players like Taarabt and Barton while Norwich seemed to have enough about them to pull through. Swansea were known to play slick passing football but I was skeptical if they would be able to translate that philosophy into the premier league where there is less freedom and very little time on the ball. It was very difficult to imagine players like Joe Allen dictating a match faced with the very physical midfield of the Premier League. Boy were we proved wrong. Swansea stuck to their philosophy, played short one-touch passes and have generally dominated the midfield every match. They played with a commitment and enthusiasm that belies their stature and they truly deserve to be where they are, all credit to Brendan Rodgers and his gutsy bunch of players.

    Rodgers has had his philosophy influenced by teams like Barcelona and Valencia who play passing football and has spent years watching them. I find his team the closest to the famed Dutch “Total Football”. It is not only the passing game they play. It is also the movement of players off it to retain possession and exploit the space on the field. The ease with which they carved out the Liverpool defence time and again on the last match of the season was impressive (and worrying from an LFC prospective). They players don’t just pass back and forth, they are aware of the spaces that are created in field and aware of the runs that their players make. The Swansea players are in sync with each to an amazing level. It all comes down to training and applying the mind on the field. Full credit to Brendan Rodgers for achieving that with his team and it is evident that he is destined for greatness.

    Swansea have often been accused for having very poor possession percentage in the final third of the pitch. Be that as it may, Swansea’s ideology is to pass it around the midfield and defense so much as to wear down the opponents. Their midfielders and defenders are so composed and sure about their touches that they retain possession in spite of heavy pressure. This leads to the opponent worn down by thankless pressure, inevitably committing a mistake. A lapse of concentration or an unmarked run later, Swansea find themselves with an opportunity at goal.

    In fact, it is to be noted that Swansea have generally won matches against teams who are intent to press the Swansea players when out of possession as compared to the lesser number of victories against the teams who have sat back and not pressed Swansea. The pressing directly results in Swansea players finding more space between the lines and playing their natural passing game as opposed to teams who have sat back and not pressed Swansea. I put it down to lack of a true superstar player in Swansea.

    There is only so much you can achieve with a certain quality of players and with better players and same philosophy, even the staunchest of defenses can be broken. Another point worth noting is the speed with which Swansea turn pointless possession into incisive attacks. To do this requires a huge amount of practice, concentration and presence of mind, and credit to Brendan Rodgers for making his team so well versed at what they do. One of the biggest disappointments I had with the Liverpool of last season was the lack of movement off the ball. You would rarely see Henderson, Downing or Spearing take up a new position after passing the ball. While there was a lot of passing, there was relatively less movement from the players. We have often not been able to beat teams that parked the bus. Here is where the movement part becomes important, that is how you crate space in the final third and that is exactly where Liverpool failed this season. Liverpool have won matches where the opponent has been willing to come out and play a game of football, leaving space for Liverpool forwards to move and receive the ball, and generally play with freedom. To win against teams that park the bus we need to create our own space. People often forget that in “pass and move” football the latter is as important as the former, and that is exactly what Rodgers brings to the table.

    One unheralded aspect of the Swansea game is the pressing that Swansea players do when out of possession. Post Lucas I have been far from impressed with Liverpool’s game off the ball and we hardly press the opponents into giving up possession. To play a passing game, domination of the midfield both on and off the ball is absolutely essential and we have been found lacking time and again. Swansea quickly organize themselves off the ball and press the ball effectively. This was one of the main reasons why they won against Arsenal. They never allowed Arsenal to dominate the midfield and hence Arsenal were not allowed to play their natural game.

    Another aspect where Rodgers impressed me was his choice of players in the transfer market. His signings of Sinclair, Britton, Vorm and Sigurdsson were all well-reasoned and shows that he knows what he is doing. He wanted a keeper to play the ball out of defense and have keen eye for a pass and at the same time good at shot-stopping, in came Vorm. He wanted a midfielder to sit deep and boss the midfield, in comes Leon Britton. He wanted a player who can play higher up, have a keen eye for through balls and at the same time have a good long range shot, in comes Gylfi Sigurdsson. He not only knows which player to buy but also knows when to buy them. Sinclair was undervalued by Chelsea and Rodgers snapped him up. Sigurdsson has a bust up with the manager and Rodgers is at hand to take advantage. This speaks volumes about his shrewdness in the transfer market, something that was put in the backburner last transfer window.

    Rodgers also believes in actively integrating the youth into the first team. His philosophy is influenced by a large extent by Spanish clubs like Sevilla and Valencia with their successful youth systems. With the Liverpool youth system now on the verge of producing technically gifted, quality youth players consistently, it would be prudent to have a manager who believes in inculcating the youth into the first team. It would guarantee a platform for continued success.

    If the rumours are indeed true and Rodgers rejected us because he was uncomfortable with the odds of being chosen from amongst 12 managers, it would not be hard for FSG in convincing him to reconsider his decision. While Martinez and Villas-Boas are also good football managers, it is clearly visible that all three of them offer different skillsets to the club. While AVB brings attacking football with a 4-3-3 and also the experience of handling a top club like Porto, Martinez offers the novelty of a 3-4-3 along with a wealth of tactical knowledge. On the other hand Rodgers while not as tactically astute as the other two, brings to the table a true pass and move footballing philosophy complete with rigorous training and perfect execution. The appointment of the next manager will define the philosophy of the club for the years to come and will be detrimental in our success as we embark on a new era of the club.
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    Post by Mouse Wed May 30, 2012 6:14 am

    Those articles are great, the man is clearly quite clever to be fair.
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    Post by Guest Wed May 30, 2012 6:17 am

    Eternal Witcher wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Is this the famous scouse sense of humour that I'm missing? I've just had a look at his twitter account, Jesus, Mary and Joseph, if he's real he's as thick as pig shit.

    His comic sense is genius according to a liverpool thread I looked at.
    I find some of his deliberate spelling errors amusing, but otherwise, he is a cockroach.
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    Post by Dean Wed May 30, 2012 6:25 am

    Yeah. I think both him and Martinez are top draw managers, and they'll certainly go on to prove that. I just think some our fans are just looking at purely black and white and jumping to conclusions. Many fans think its gunna' be Hodgson-Part || because they'll have come from teams in the bottom half ofthe table and many fans are just expectant on us appointing a Capello or a Guardiola like we've got some divine right. Understandable though.

    There'll probably be a lot of fans who'll look at the name Brendan Rodgers and think- 'Oh, just another overrated boring British manager' when in truth, that's far from the real story.
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    Post by Forest Wed May 30, 2012 6:26 am

    Brendan Rodgers is a good manager, but he doesn't half love to rub it in that he worked with Mourinho Laughing
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    Post by Guest Wed May 30, 2012 6:28 am

    Dean wrote:Yeah. I think both him and Martinez are top draw managers, and they'll certainly go on to prove that. I just think some our fans are just looking at purely black and white and jumping to conclusions. Many fans think its gunna' be Hodgson-Part || because they'll have come from teams in the bottom half ofthe table and many fans are just expectant on us appointing a Capello or a Guardiola like we've got some divine right. Understandable though.

    There'll probably be a lot of fans who'll look at the name Brendan Rodgers and think- 'Oh, just another overrated boring British manager' when in truth, that's far from the real story.
    They may be decent managers, but do you think that they will be able to attract decent foreign talent? There is no doubt that they will have ties to some domestic players, but we saw how that strategy worked out this season.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Wed May 30, 2012 6:30 am

    Think of it like this.. Cabaye, Cisse, Ba, Ben Arfa and Santon all joined Newcastle with Pardew/Hughton in charge. The manager doesn't matter THAT much.
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    Post by Mouse Wed May 30, 2012 6:30 am

    I think Van Gaal could mind you.
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    Post by George Wed May 30, 2012 6:32 am

    Also, Hazard is joining Chelsea and they currently do not have a manager.
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    Post by Forest Wed May 30, 2012 6:36 am

    Mc Babel wrote:Jenkins has really stuck his head over the parrot pit with this claim mates.

    Jenkins is brilliant Laughing

    I got this off him once

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    Post by Guest Wed May 30, 2012 6:37 am

    Theo Filippo wrote:Think of it like this.. Cabaye, Cisse, Ba, Ben Arfa and Santon all joined Newcastle with Pardew/Hughton in charge. The manager doesn't matter THAT much.
    Laughing Fair enough.
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    Post by Dean Wed May 30, 2012 7:37 am

    Well if it's true that Van Gaal has joined the team and that Pep Segura has joined first team, I think them 2 will have a huge bearing on player recruitment and negotiating, a long with Rodgers, so I wouldn't imagine a trio of Van Gaal, Rodgers and Segura would have problems securing players.

    We were never gunna' buy top top players anyway, no matter who was manager.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Wed May 30, 2012 7:53 am

    Dean wrote:Well if it's true that Van Gaal has joined the team and that Pep Segura has joined first team, I think them 2 will have a huge bearing on player recruitment and negotiating, a long with Rodgers, so I wouldn't imagine a trio of Van Gaal, Rodgers and Segura would have problems securing players.

    We were never gunna' buy top top players anyway, no matter who was manager.

    Really? Because Van Gaal is famous for being one of the most stubborn managers in football
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    Post by Guest Wed May 30, 2012 9:07 am

    Fonseca wrote:
    Dean wrote:Well if it's true that Van Gaal has joined the team and that Pep Segura has joined first team, I think them 2 will have a huge bearing on player recruitment and negotiating, a long with Rodgers, so I wouldn't imagine a trio of Van Gaal, Rodgers and Segura would have problems securing players.

    We were never gunna' buy top top players anyway, no matter who was manager.

    Really? Because Van Gaal is famous for being one of the most stubborn managers in football

    I don't get what that has to do with anything Dean said?
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    You have a really shit sense of humour.

    I did not ask for your opinion.

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