Oh right, so Evra has said he misunderstood it for ice cream so said that to Fergie, I don't see your problem.Dan wrote:kyro7 wrote:Says who?
Mr Evra and the FA documents.
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kyro7 wrote:Oh right, so Evra has said he misunderstood it for ice cream so said that to Fergie, I don't see your problem.Dan wrote:
Mr Evra and the FA documents.
Seeing as Suarez said it often enough, he'd remember the actual word used.
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Oh so what you're saying is Evra tried to make out he said ice cream, interesting, I don't see why he'd do that then not stick to it but oh well.Dan wrote:kyro7 wrote:Oh right, so Evra has said he misunderstood it for ice cream so said that to Fergie, I don't see your problem.
Seeing as Suarez said it often enough, he'd remember the actual word used.
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How come they excuse Evra's use of Spanish, which might be deemed as offensive, as inoffensive, yet Suarez's use of Spanish, which might be deemed as offensive, offensive. 
I might be wrong. Can someone elaborate?
I might be wrong. Can someone elaborate?
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You're missing the point Dan, Evra didn't think Suárez actually called him 'n!gger' in English, but he understood 'negro' to mean 'n!gger'. As he said though, now he believes it to mean simply 'black'.
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I'm pretty sure 'ice cream' in Spanish is 'helado'.
Or that might be cake. I can't remember
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Or that might be cake. I can't remember
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"We reject Mr Kuyt's evidence that Mr Evra said that the referee was only booking him because he was black, however certain Mr Kuyt was"
This whole case is a load of shit. As is Dirk Kuyt would make that up.
This whole case is a load of shit. As is Dirk Kuyt would make that up.
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Sounds like that devious old fool Dalglish got what was coming to him.
Mr Dalglish told the referee that Mr Suarez responded with "you are black" having first
been taunted with "you are South American". Mr Comolli is not recorded as using the
word "taunted", but said that Mr Evra said "you are South American" to Mr Suarez who
responded with "Tues negro" which translates "you are Black". There is no suggestion here
that Mr Evra had said "Don't touch me", yet this seems now to be an essential part of Mr
Suarez's evidence. We were not given any explanation as to why the referee was not told
that Mr Evra had said "Don't touch me, South American", as opposed to "you are South
American". Secondly, at least as expressly reported by Mr Dalglish, Mr Suarez's remark
was a riposte to being taunted by Mr Evra. If that is correct, it would suggest that Mr
Dalglish understood Mr Suarez's comment to be in the nature of retaliation for having
been called "South American". But that would suggest that the riposte "You are black" was
used in a derogatory sense, which is contrary to Mr Suarez's case. In fact, Mr Suarez told
us that he did not consider being described as South American to be derogatory, so it is
difficult to understand why this was referred to as a "taunt".
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Dirk's the most innocent guy going . Doubt he's that kind of guy.
. Doubt he's that kind of guy.
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I don't understand how the FA can do this sort of stuff? They reject one mans words and then accept another even though there is no clear evidence for either mans use of words. It's inconsistent as fuck.Dan wrote:"We reject Mr Kuyt's evidence that Mr Evra said that the referee was only booking him because he was black, however certain Mr Kuyt was"
This whole case is a load of shit. As is Dirk Kuyt would make that up.
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The experts considered it worth noting that the phrase "porque tu eres negro" struck both
of them as slightly unusual. In this instance, a direct racial slur would more likely have
been something like "porque eres un negro de mierda" [because you are a shitty black]
This just gets more and more laughable by the minute..
of them as slightly unusual. In this instance, a direct racial slur would more likely have
been something like "porque eres un negro de mierda" [because you are a shitty black]
This just gets more and more laughable by the minute..
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Jord wrote:I don't understand how the FA can do this sort of stuff? They reject one mans words and then accept another even though there is no clear evidence for either mans use of words. It's inconsistent as fuck.Dan wrote:"We reject Mr Kuyt's evidence that Mr Evra said that the referee was only booking him because he was black, however certain Mr Kuyt was"
This whole case is a load of shit. As is Dirk Kuyt would make that up.
Suarez admitted to using it
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Fonseca wrote:Jord wrote:I don't understand how the FA can do this sort of stuff? They reject one mans words and then accept another even though there is no clear evidence for either mans use of words. It's inconsistent as fuck.
Suarez admitted to using it
He admitted to using a word without racist intentions which is common in his native language. Completely different to the version that the FA believed.
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Dan wrote:Fonseca wrote:
Suarez admitted to using it
He admitted to using a word without racist intentions which is common in his native language. Completely different to the version that the FA believed.
It's not acceptable in Spain and it's not acceptable here, either way he's arguing a lost case
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Dan wrote:Fonseca wrote:
Suarez admitted to using it
He admitted to using a word without racist intentions which is common in his native language. Completely different to the version that the FA believed.
Dan, why on earth do you consider yourself more knowledgeable in the Spanish language as used in Uruguay than the experts used by the FA/Commission?
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Fonseca wrote:Dan wrote:
He admitted to using a word without racist intentions which is common in his native language. Completely different to the version that the FA believed.
It's not acceptable in Spain and it's not acceptable here, either way he's arguing a lost case
Incorrect. The term is accepted in Spanish, the language that Mr Evra chose to converse in.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:Dan wrote:
He admitted to using a word without racist intentions which is common in his native language. Completely different to the version that the FA believed.
Dan, why on earth do you consider yourself more knowledgeable in the Spanish language as used in Uruguay than the experts used by the FA/Commission?
I don't consider myself more knowledgeable. Never claimed to have done.
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Dan wrote:Fonseca wrote:
It's not acceptable in Spain and it's not acceptable here, either way he's arguing a lost case
Incorrect. The term is accepted in Spanish, the language that Mr Evra chose to converse in.
No it's fucking not, do you speak Spanish? have you been to Spain?
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Dan wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Dan, why on earth do you consider yourself more knowledgeable in the Spanish language as used in Uruguay than the experts used by the FA/Commission?
I don't consider myself more knowledgeable. Never claimed to have done.
So why do you think you know better when it comes to this case?
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Fonseca wrote:Dan wrote:
Incorrect. The term is accepted in Spanish, the language that Mr Evra chose to converse in.
No it's fucking not, do you speak Spanish? have you been to Spain?
So all these Uruguayan's and Spanish players that have used it are lying then?
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:Dan wrote:
I don't consider myself more knowledgeable. Never claimed to have done.
So why do you think you know better when it comes to this case?
Because numerous players (with better knowledge than those on the panel) have come out in defence of the word Suarez used.
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We should accept the ban. Give Suarez the break he needs, let Carroll find his form, Suarez returns, forms a formidable partnership with Carroll.
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Dan wrote:Fonseca wrote:
No it's fucking not, do you speak Spanish? have you been to Spain?
So all these Uruguayan's and Spanish players that have used it are lying then?
No In Spain it's very rude and Suarez knows this
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The experts concluded their observations on Mr Suarez's account as follows. If Mr Suarez
used the word "negro" as described by Mr Suarez, this would not be interpreted as either
offensive or offensive in racial terms in Uruguay and Spanish-speaking America more
generally;
used the word "negro" as described by Mr Suarez, this would not be interpreted as either
offensive or offensive in racial terms in Uruguay and Spanish-speaking America more
generally;
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Fonseca wrote:Dan wrote:
So all these Uruguayan's and Spanish players that have used it are lying then?
No In Spain it's very rude and Suarez knows this
We aren't in Spain. Neither players are Spanish. I'm confused?
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The quicker this goes to a proper court, the better.
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Dan wrote:The experts concluded their observations on Mr Suarez's account as follows. If Mr Suarez
used the word "negro" as described by Mr Suarez, this would not be interpreted as either
offensive or offensive in racial terms in Uruguay and Spanish-speaking America more
generally;
This is beyond farcical nowHere is that quote in context, which emphasises how Suarez's supporters want to rely on different parts of the report.
Of course, they wished to rely on different parts of the report to support their case. The FA
relied, in particular, on the experts' conclusion that if Mr Suarez used the words "negro"
and "negros" as described by Mr Evra, this would be understood as offensive and
offensive in racial terms in Uruguay and Spanish-speaking America more generally. The
physical gesture of touching Mr Evra's arm would also, in the context of the phrases used,
be interpreted as racist
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Cadbury wrote:Fonseca wrote:
No In Spain it's very rude and Suarez knows this
We aren't in Spain. Neither players are Spanish. I'm confused?
Dan said it's acceptable in Spanish after me saying it's not in Spain
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Whatever.
I'm bored of this thread being filled with all this Suarez/Evra stuff. We should be talking about Carroll and where he should cut his hair.
I'm bored of this thread being filled with all this Suarez/Evra stuff. We should be talking about Carroll and where he should cut his hair.
