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we are not weaker then last season players wise. we only lost scholes and VDS... scholes barely played. on top of that we gained 3 players

our early exit was pure bad luck. and abit of arrogance

the 6-1... we got a red card at 1-0 once again you show you dont look at the bigger picture. you are such a fool. in that match we were dominating the game till the red card. city scored with their 1st and only shot in the 1st half. i am beginning to think you just look at results and dont bother to watch any actual football

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Wouldn't say we're weaker than last season, started this season like a house on fire playing great football, the big defeat v City set us back a lot.

Er...we're not weaker? You need to watch the matches. The fact we lost 6-1 AT HOME to Manchester City, and got dumped out of the Champions League by Basel, when we needed only 1 point to go through, fuck, the fact we needed the last game to qualify in such a piss poor group, think of all these factors, and if you still come to the conclusion that we're not weaker, look at the strength of the squad.

Well I think the CL elimination is a bit mental, I think Sir Alex took the games too lightly and underestimated our opponents, I think if we were drawn in a harder group we would have qualified.

The 6-1 was also crazy but Jonny Evans is a clown and let Balo get in behind, then took him out, got sent off, 10 men and our players gave up at 3-1 defensively.

I think our squad is stronger.

kyro7 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Er...we're not weaker? You need to watch the matches. The fact we lost 6-1 AT HOME to Manchester City, and got dumped out of the Champions League by Basel, when we needed only 1 point to go through, fuck, the fact we needed the last game to qualify in such a piss poor group, think of all these factors, and if you still come to the conclusion that we're not weaker, look at the strength of the squad.

Well I think the CL elimination is a bit mental, I think Sir Alex took the games too lightly and underestimated our opponents, I think if we were drawn in a harder group we would have qualified.

The 6-1 was also crazy but Jonny Evans is a clown and let Balo get in behind, then took him out, got sent off, 10 men and our players gave up at 3-1 defensively.

I think our squad is stronger.

You think too much.

Chris wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Well I think the CL elimination is a bit mental, I think Sir Alex took the games too lightly and underestimated our opponents, I think if we were drawn in a harder group we would have qualified.

The 6-1 was also crazy but Jonny Evans is a clown and let Balo get in behind, then took him out, got sent off, 10 men and our players gave up at 3-1 defensively.

I think our squad is stronger.

You think too much.

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kyro7 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Er...we're not weaker? You need to watch the matches. The fact we lost 6-1 AT HOME to Manchester City, and got dumped out of the Champions League by Basel, when we needed only 1 point to go through, fuck, the fact we needed the last game to qualify in such a piss poor group, think of all these factors, and if you still come to the conclusion that we're not weaker, look at the strength of the squad.

Well I think the CL elimination is a bit mental, I think Sir Alex took the games too lightly and underestimated our opponents, I think if we were drawn in a harder group we would have qualified.

The 6-1 was also crazy but Jonny Evans is a clown and let Balo get in behind, then took him out, got sent off, 10 men and our players gave up at 3-1 defensively.

I think our squad is stronger.

And yet you still back him. Go figure.

And yeah, the 1-6 was a fluke with little value as a result, but even moreso were our successes at the start of the season. The Chelsea match was an utter farce, Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenal were completely pathetic due to circumstances taking their key players from them.

By the way, the fact that we are relying on stupid cunts like Evans demonstrates exactly why our squad isn't stronger. Say what you like about O'Shea, and I know a lot of people have underestimated what a loss he is, but he wouldn't have gone for that ridiculous tackle against City. He wouldn't have gone for that header like Smalling did against Basel, get elbowed in the head and go down crying, costing us a goal, and he wouldn't have let his man go for the second goal either. That was an absolutely massive loss.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:And yet you still back him. Go figure.

Stopped reading here, of course I back him, just because he makes mistakes in a season doesn't mean I wont back him, we've gone out of the Champions League before and come back stronger than ever, why not give him a chance to do that again, as I've said before, after all the great things he's given us, it's time to repay him with our faith, whether you want to or not but don't start having a go at people for having faith in the greatest thing that's ever happened to Manchester United.

he also wouldnt have played

the fact you judge Oshea so highly negates all your opinion

kyro7 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:And yet you still back him. Go figure.

Stopped reading here, of course I back him, just because he makes mistakes in a season doesn't mean I wont back him, we've gone out of the Champions League before and come back stronger than ever, why not give him a chance to do that again, as I've said before, after all the great things he's given us, it's time to repay him with our faith, whether you want to or not but don't start having a go at people for having faith in the greatest thing that's ever happened to Manchester United.

Repay him? Manchester United doesn't owe Ferguson shit, and anything it does owe him should be paid in bullshit like statues and naming stands after him. He's taken £50m out of Manchester United over the last 10 years, if that's not enough to mean we don't owe him anything then what the fuck is?

He's acted as Manchester United for his own ends, make fucking sure you're under no delusions about that - he left St. Mirren as soon as something better came along for his career, he left Aberdeen as soon as something better came along, and the reason he's stayed at United is that that's what's served his career the best.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Stopped reading here, of course I back him, just because he makes mistakes in a season doesn't mean I wont back him, we've gone out of the Champions League before and come back stronger than ever, why not give him a chance to do that again, as I've said before, after all the great things he's given us, it's time to repay him with our faith, whether you want to or not but don't start having a go at people for having faith in the greatest thing that's ever happened to Manchester United.

He's acted as Manchester United for his own ends, make fucking sure you're under no delusions about that - he left St. Mirren as soon as something better came along for his career, he left Aberdeen as soon as something better came along, and the reason he's stayed at United is that that's what's served his career the best.

ahm.. who wouldnt do that? you some kind of retard?

jose left porto when somehing better came along

jose left chelsea when something better came along (or was sacked, in the end i think they both said "thats it, lets go our separate ways")

jose left inter when something better came along

Fergie waited until he found the club that is right for him and one that he can keep at the top of the footballing world. a club with great history. when he first joined he came with a mission and that was "knocking Liverpool off their f***ing perch." quoted from the great man himself

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:


He's acted as Manchester United for his own ends, make fucking sure you're under no delusions about that - he left St. Mirren as soon as something better came along for his career, he left Aberdeen as soon as something better came along, and the reason he's stayed at United is that that's what's served his career the best.

ahm.. who wouldnt do that? you some kind of retard?

jose left porto when somehing better came along

jose left chelsea when something better came along (or was sacked, in the end i think they both said "thats it, lets go our separate ways")

jose left inter when something better came along

Fergie waited until he found the club that is right for him and one that he can keep at the top of the footballing world. a club with great history

Exactly, so he shouldn't be portrayed as some sort of hero who deserves our undying adulation, he is an employee, and if he is becoming a hindrance, or can be replaced by a superior employee, then he should be dispensed with.

but you are talking as if he is the worst manager ever or that we havent seen success for over 3 years GET A FUCKING GRIP

no other team in the world would even imagine sacking their manager in the situation we are in. dont know what you have against fergie but you need fucking help.

if you were an arsenal fan.. you are what we call "shit fans", who love it when they are winning and stay quiet but as soon as something goes wrong they want the manager gone and 5 players bought

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Repay him? Manchester United doesn't owe Ferguson shit.

Fucking behave yourself, fist of all you're wrong, secondly I feel I owe Fergie my faith personally, I don't care what you or any other United fan thinks.

ViVaRooney wrote:but you are talking as if he is the worst manager ever or that we havent seen success for over 3 years GET A FUCKING GRIP

no other team in the world would even imagine sacking their manager in the situation we are in. dont know what you have against fergie but you need fucking help

Real Madrid would sack their fucking manager if they went out of the CL at this stage, they sacked Del Bosque because he only got to the Semi Final and won the League.

kyro7 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Repay him? Manchester United doesn't owe Ferguson shit.

Fucking behave yourself, fist of all you're wrong, secondly I feel I owe Fergie my faith personally, I don't care what you or any other United fan thinks.

Right, so you think he's being underpaid then?

Yeah, because sacking the manager who guides their team to a European semi final and a league title is a fantastic idea...

And why are you asking if he thinks Fergie's underpaid? He's not on about literally "repaying him".

Danny wrote:Yeah, because sacking the manager who guides their team to a European semi final and a league title is a fantastic idea...

And why are you asking if he thinks Fergie's underpaid? He's not on about literally "repaying him".

I'm not saying it's a fantastic idea, in that case it wasn't, but that doesn't mean that it is never a good idea.

Because the idea that we owe Ferguson something in addition to the fantastic amounts of money he's made from doing a job he loves sickens me.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:but you are talking as if he is the worst manager ever or that we havent seen success for over 3 years GET A FUCKING GRIP

no other team in the world would even imagine sacking their manager in the situation we are in. dont know what you have against fergie but you need fucking help

Real Madrid would sack their fucking manager if they went out of the CL at this stage, they sacked Del Bosque because he only got to the Semi Final and won the League.

yeah cause that club is run AWFULLY

that club has no soul. only now they have realized sacking managers every season is not the right way to catch barca.

In 2005 when we didn't get past the group stage we won the next 3 premier leagues and won a CL, it's just unlucky that we didn't get through, I think we played well against Wolves and I don't see why we can't win the PL (I'm not basing the rest of the PL on our result against wolves btw )

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Fucking behave yourself, fist of all you're wrong, secondly I feel I owe Fergie my faith personally, I don't care what you or any other United fan thinks.

Right, so you think he's being underpaid then?

If they had stuck with any of the shower of cunts they had before TSO they'd never have got close to where they are now, with the possible exception of Don Fabio. The right thing to do is to sack managers when they're no longer useful to you, I feel we've got to that point with Ferguson.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Fucking behave yourself, fist of all you're wrong, secondly I feel I owe Fergie my faith personally, I don't care what you or any other United fan thinks.

Right, so you think he's being underpaid then?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Fucking behave yourself, fist of all you're wrong, secondly I feel I owe Fergie my faith personally, I don't care what you or any other United fan thinks.

Right, so you think he's being underpaid then?

why does his wage matter?

as a fan i dont give a fuck what players or managers earn... its about what they achieve on the pitch. for fergie he has done alot for us, and it would take a midtable finish for me to even consider losing faith in him.

we have our downs but we have far more highs. lows like the early exits just makes the highs feel better. i dont want us to turn into madrid, i like playing young players and allowing them mistakes to see them develop into great players. madrid dont do that, if a player comes through the rank and doesnt score 20 goals he is sold.

thats why we can go out of CL in group stages and the likes of madrid dont. cause we allow players to develop, we dont kick em out everytime they make mistakes. we rarely buy finished products

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Right, so you think he's being underpaid then?

why does his wage matter?

as a fan i dont give a fuck what players or managers earn... its about what they achieve on the pitch. for fergie he has done alot for us, and it would take a midtable finish for me to even consider losing faith in him.

we have our downs but we have far more highs. lows like the early exits just makes the highs feel better. i dont want us to turn into madrid, i like playing young players and allowing them mistakes to see them develop into great players. madrid dont do that, if a player comes through the rank and doesnt score 20 goals he is sold.

thats why we can go out of CL in group stages and the likes of madrid dont. cause we allow players to develop, we dont kick em out everytime they make mistakes. we rarely buy finished products

Barcelona have a far better youth system than us, they put far more faith in young players, I don't see them crashing out at Basel. Who was the last top drawer player we brought through anyway?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:

why does his wage matter?

as a fan i dont give a fuck what players or managers earn... its about what they achieve on the pitch. for fergie he has done alot for us, and it would take a midtable finish for me to even consider losing faith in him.

we have our downs but we have far more highs. lows like the early exits just makes the highs feel better. i dont want us to turn into madrid, i like playing young players and allowing them mistakes to see them develop into great players. madrid dont do that, if a player comes through the rank and doesnt score 20 goals he is sold.

thats why we can go out of CL in group stages and the likes of madrid dont. cause we allow players to develop, we dont kick em out everytime they make mistakes. we rarely buy finished products

Barcelona have a far better youth system than us, they put far more faith in young players, I don't see them crashing out at Basel. Who was the last top drawer player we brought through anyway?

i am not talking about just through our youth system. i am talking about players like nani, jones, smalling, cleverley, anderson, hernandez, welbeck.... these players who only get better every year.

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Barcelona have a far better youth system than us, they put far more faith in young players, I don't see them crashing out at Basel. Who was the last top drawer player we brought through anyway?

i am not talking about just through our youth system. i am talking about players like nani, jones, smalling, cleverley, anderson, hernandez, welbeck.... these players who only get better every year.

True, Anderson for one is far better than in his first year with us. Jones, the improvement from his first season to this season has just been phenomenal, and it's great that we've given Cleverley all these chances, he never performed that well for us before.

sarcasm i see

Anderson IS far better, he has had superb performances this season that he got nowhere near in his first season. Jones is getting better EVER WEEK rather then every season tbh. Cleverley will get better if he can stay free of injury

likes of welbeck already improved

to make a final point on the subject... C.Ronaldo is the perfect difference between madrid and us, we bought ronaldo at young age seeing the potential and it took him 2-3 seasons to be consistent and a team player and we got 2 great seasons from him then madrid bought him for £80m.... thats madrid in a nushell, they just throw money at teams and get the final product. thats not fun to me, seeing ronaldo develop every season was a joy. madrid fans dont get that, sure they get the perfect ronaldo for longer too but thats only cause they have ridiculous money. they buy players like Sahin and dont even give them a chance cause dear god he may cost them a point. they nearly ruined benzema, but a long term injury to higuain meant he had to play and now look at him...

do you get the point? we spot talent early and we bring them in and hope they develop to their potential infront of us, some work out some dont. we buy the occasional experienced player if need be and i think that is a superb balance. Madrid spent over £500m in 3 seasons and they do no better then us against barca

ViVaRooney wrote: sarcasm i see

Anderson IS far better, he has had superb performances this season that he got nowhere near in his first season. Jones is getting better EVER WEEK rather then every season tbh. Cleverley will get better if he can stay free of injury

likes of welbeck already improved

to make a final point on the subject... C.Ronaldo is the perfect difference between madrid and us, we bought ronaldo at young age seeing the potential and it took him 2-3 seasons to be consistent and a team player and we got 2 great seasons from him then madrid bought him for £80m.... thats madrid in a nushell, they just throw money at teams and get the final product. thats not fun to me, seeing ronaldo develop every season was a joy. madrid fans dont get that, sure they get the perfect ronaldo for longer too but thats only cause they have ridiculous money

do you get the point? we spot talent early and we bring them in and hope they develop to their potential infront of us, some work out some dont. we buy the occasional experienced player if need be and i think that is a superb balance. Madrid spent over £500m in 3 seasons and they do no better then us against barca

Is he fuck, Anderson had some brilliant performances in his first season, at Anfield, and the Emirates, and he has never matched them. If Jones is so good then why is our defence facing so many shots? You say Cleverley will get better, but all you have to go on is faith.

C. Ronaldo is one example of the difference between them and us. Here are some other players who are examples of the difference between them and us

Zoran Tosic
Manucho Gonclaves
Tiago Manuel Dias Correia
Gabriel Obertan
Anderson Luís de Abreu Oliveira

And as for Madrid doing no better than us against Barca...er...hello? Real Madrid had one match which is a direct analogue for ours, a Cup Final over 1 leg, going to Extra Time and penalties, they won the game, they won the cup, we got rinsed.

And by the way, where do you think Casillas, Arbeloa and Ramos came from? All of them were Madrid players as teenagers, all of them now play in the Madrid first team.

Copa del rey you compare that to a important match?

you realize that match was inbetween a league game classico and a CL classico... barca didnt give a shiet about the copa del ray. beat madrid in the CL and drew in the league to win CL and league. when it has mattered barca have outclassed and outplayed madrid.

ViVaRooney wrote:Copa del rey you compare that to a important match?

you realize that match was inbetween a league game classico and a CL classico... barca didnt give a shiet about the copa del ray. beat madrid in the CL and drew in the league to win CL and league

It is much more comparable to the CL Final than a League match that Real Madrid can afford to lose, a game at Camp Nou, or a game the referee kills.

Real Madrid: Casillas, Marcelo, Carvalho, Sergio Ramos, Arbeloa, Pepe, Xabi Alonso, Khedira, Ozil, Ronaldo, Di María.

Barcelona: Pinto, Alves, Pique, Masch, Adriano, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Messi, Villa

Those were the teams for the copa final.. Barca looked like they gave a shit.