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    2016-17 Premier League

    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:54 pm

    Premier League attempted title defences in recent years

    2012 - Finished joint first on points
    2013 - Lost the title in April
    2014 - Finished seventh
    2015 - Lost the title by an eight point margin, never competitive
    2016 - Finished tenth

    Leicester starting out in the same vein, 2-1 down to a team who've just been promoted from the Championship, have crippling injuries and haven't signed anyone.
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    Post by Stranger on Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:29 am

    They'll win the CL instead.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Sun Aug 14, 2016 6:00 am

    Defoe scores equaliser
    Moyes pulls off Defoe to put on Paddy McNair
    Paddy McNair scores winning goal for Manchester City

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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:16 am

    Arsenal are an embarrassment.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:54 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Arsenal are an embarrassment.
    Agreed. I'm just glad it had a respectable ring to it at 4-3, Liverpool totally destroyed us. And fair play to their signings, I was critical of them but one got a good assist and another raped us for his goal whereas all Xhaka did was foul.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:57 am

    I missed this so much...
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    Post by Parasect on Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:07 am

    Early days but Mane looks an absolute firecracker. I'd happily take the repercussions of the odd games of wild technical ability and inconsistency for a winger who can blitz defenders like that.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:44 am

    The Zlatan wrote:I missed this so much...

    Are you following your namesake over to United?
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    Post by Glen Miller on Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:13 am

    Parasect wrote:Early days but Mane looks an absolute firecracker. I'd happily take the repercussions of the odd games of wild technical ability and inconsistency for a winger who can blitz defenders like that.
    It's almost unfair to call him wild technically.  He sort of benefits from having a heavy touch.  He's a strange sort of talent, but I can't for the life of me remember the last time we had an attacker who can skin a defender and leave him for dead with pace like that.  Not even Sturridge pre-injury.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:31 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    The Zlatan wrote:I missed this so much...

    Are you following your namesake over to United?

    No, there's a small part of me that enjoys the self flagellation of supporting Arsenal.
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    Post by Parasect on Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:57 am

    Glen Miller wrote:
    Parasect wrote:Early days but Mane looks an absolute firecracker. I'd happily take the repercussions of the odd games of wild technical ability and inconsistency for a winger who can blitz defenders like that.
    It's almost unfair to call him wild technically.  He sort of benefits from having a heavy touch.  He's a strange sort of talent, but I can't for the life of me remember the last time we had an attacker who can skin a defender and leave him for dead with pace like that.  Not even Sturridge pre-injury.
    Yeah I guess I am being unfair. When I say wild I guess I mean unconventional? It certainly ties in with what you say about his heavy touch and how something that is normally a negative works to his advantage. I guess you can compare it a bit to somebody like Di Maria, who is an extremely instinctual player and will often try first time lofted passes that actually end successful.
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    Post by Glen Miller on Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:30 am

    Parasect wrote:
    Glen Miller wrote:
    It's almost unfair to call him wild technically.  He sort of benefits from having a heavy touch.  He's a strange sort of talent, but I can't for the life of me remember the last time we had an attacker who can skin a defender and leave him for dead with pace like that.  Not even Sturridge pre-injury.
    Yeah I guess I am being unfair. When I say wild I guess I mean unconventional? It certainly ties in with what you say about his heavy touch and how something that is normally a negative works to his advantage. I guess you can compare it a bit to somebody like Di Maria, who is an extremely instinctual player and will often try first time lofted passes that actually end successful.
    Yeah, I wasn't really disagreeing with you.  His dribbling is yin to Lallana's yang.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:54 am

    Hasn't his biggest issue always been consistency? I think he scored something like 8 of his 11 PL goals in Southampton's last 9 games and he played in every game that season.

    Some of our fans are brushing off the goals because we had Chambers and Holding, but Mane still had to skin Monreal as well for that goal. A LB we were calling one of the best in the world last season.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:35 am

    Yes, he blows very hot and cold.  I don't think there's much one can draw from that performance with regard to Arsenal's defence, shit players in one area of the park often have a detrimental effect on players in adjacent positions.

    I'm fairly optimistic about United.  Obviously you can draw too much from one game but we looked good today, plus we still have Pogba to come in, Smalling to come back and Mkhitaryan will probably play a greater role in future, hopefully instead of Rooney.
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    Post by vel on Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:37 am

    The Zlatan wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:

    Are you following your namesake over to United?

    No, there's a small part of me that enjoys the self flagellation of supporting Arsenal.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:41 am

    What did he mean by this?
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:54 am

    Ref in the Chelsea game was a fucking joke.
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    Post by Glen Miller on Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:02 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Ref in the Chelsea game was a fucking joke.
    I did want to see the FA clamp down on abuse towards the referees, but if they continue to perform like this I think we should just let the players loose on them.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:09 am

    Glen Miller wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Ref in the Chelsea game was a fucking joke.
    I did want to see the FA clamp down on abuse towards the referees, but if they continue to perform like this I think we should just let the players loose on them.
    It seems like if you look at a referee funny you get booked but to get a second booking you have to kill someone.
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    Post by Glen Miller on Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:36 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Glen Miller wrote:
    I did want to see the FA clamp down on abuse towards the referees, but if they continue to perform like this I think we should just let the players loose on them.
    It seems like if you look at a referee funny you get booked but to get a second booking you have to kill someone.
    Laughing Yeah, they are cracking down on physical dissent before they begin to tackle the more challenging verbal equivalent.  I saw that Costa got booked for running in a mean manner, but Noble was allowed to yell the occasional F word at the linesman and nothing was done.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:01 am

    We are really shit.
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    Post by Parasect on Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:43 am

    In all seriousness do you think you'll actually sign a forward now? The two most linked at the calibre of improving the side without being outmuscled by a more financially brazen side in Lacazette and Icardi have either signed a new contract or look very willing to stay put.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:44 am

    I think this may very well be the season we finally drop out of the top 4. I'd like to point to us signing a decent defender to at least alleviate that risk but I'm really not sure how much of a difference it will make, the way we play defensively just seems so reckless. We got away with it today thanks to a superhuman performance by Koscielny and Clattenburg being shit at his job. That same defensive fragility seeps into the midfield too despite the personnel and going forward nothing will change because we desperately need a world class striker and there's none around for us.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:47 am

    Parasect wrote:In all seriousness do you think you'll actually sign a forward now? The two most linked at the calibre of improving the side without being outmuscled by a more financially brazen side in Lacazette and Icardi have either signed a new contract or look very willing to stay put.

    No way. I don't know whether either of those would improve the team or not but Wenger wouldn't pay the going rate for them anyway.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:31 am

    Parasect wrote:In all seriousness do you think you'll actually sign a forward now? The two most linked at the calibre of improving the side without being outmuscled by a more financially brazen side in Lacazette and Icardi have either signed a new contract or look very willing to stay put.
    Unless is a Kalou type deal then I can't see it. Lacazette seems like the only realistic one and he'll cost £50-60million, can't see us paying that.

    The Zlatan wrote:I think this may very well be the season we finally drop out of the top 4. I'd like to point to us signing a decent defender to at least alleviate that risk but I'm really not sure how much of a difference it will make, the way we play defensively just seems so reckless. We got away with it today thanks to a superhuman performance by Koscielny and Clattenburg being shit at his job. That same defensive fragility seeps into the midfield too despite the personnel and going forward nothing will change because we desperately need a world class striker and there's none around for us.
    We've been teetering on the brink for a number of seasons now. Only reason it hasn't happened sooner is because some other club has always been collapsed at the home stretch. City and United look nailed on for top 4 at least and Chelsea look like they'll probably grind out enough wins. So it'll be between us, Liverpool, Spurs and whoever is this season's new contender for the top 4.
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    Post by jeb4eva on Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:25 am

    Hull will be the new contenders.
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    Post by Glen Miller on Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:55 am

    As long as it's not West Ham who displaces Arsenal I'll be okay.
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    Re: 2016-17 Premier League

    Post by Stranger on Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:15 am

    Prediction

    1. Man Utd
    2. Manchester City
    3. Arsenal
    4. Tottenham

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:33 am

    Opinions on who's had the best transfer window? For me the knee-jerk reaction right now is that it's United. Middlesbrough have also had a good window.
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    Post by Glen Miller on Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:50 am

    Manchester United, especially if you include the change in managers. 

    Chelsea's went unbelievably silly on the final day.

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