Euro 2016 - 10th June-10th July

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    Euro 2016 - 10th June-10th July

    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:26 am

    Starts tomorrow. Not a fan of the new format at all but it should still be a decent month of football.

    I make France marginal favourites ahead of Germany and Spain. Fancy England could do well if they avoid injuries and Hodgson makes some smart decisions instead of trying to shoehorn everyone into positions they don't belong in, although that may be asking for too much.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:44 am

    Don't think England will do well. They'll probably top the group (it'd be a travesty if they didn't) and you'd think that if results go as expected they'll face one of Czech, Turkey, Croatia, Poland, Ukraine, Albania, Switzerland or Romania in the last 16. Those level of teams are about the limit of their abilities. After that the 1/4 final could be against 1 of Italy, Belgium or Portugal. England will seriously struggle against any of those teams.

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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:55 am

    I'd make Belgium clear favourites against England but Italy are shit and Portugal only have one player.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:58 am

    Hodgson is such a shit manager.


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    Post by Glen Miller on Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:33 pm

    I just knew that Russia would score against us.  I can't believe it took Hodgson well over 70 minutes to make a change when we clearly needed energy and inspiration from the bench.

    Kane was definitely the biggest disappointment today.  What is the point of bringing 4 strikers when you only play one and never substitute him when he is doing nothing right?
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    Post by Stranger on Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:33 am

    Excellent result for England.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:49 am

    Slovakia have dealt with Russia with real ease here. Puts into to perspective how average that "good" England performance was.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:07 am

    Russia's performance is the footballing equivalent of telling your boss "I quit!" when he's about to fire you.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:13 am

    Even if they lose this Russia still have a pretty good chance of making the next round so I doubt they've given up just yet.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:23 am

    Keyser Söze wrote:Even if they lose this Russia still have a pretty good chance of making the next round so I doubt they've given up just yet.

    You think? There are a lot of possible permutations to work through but I'd say they'll seriously struggle if they get beat here. One point after two games, a negative head to head record against Slovakia and a -2 goal difference looks like they're in a very difficult situation to me. They'll probably need a win against Wales because their goal difference won't help them in the best third place qualification group.

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    Post by Scott_LFC on Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:05 am

    Keyser Söze wrote:Slovakia have dealt with Russia with real ease here. Puts into to perspective how average that "good" England performance was.

    Completely different game.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:17 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Keyser Söze wrote:Even if they lose this Russia still have a pretty good chance of making the next round so I doubt they've given up just yet.

    You think?  There are a lot of possible permutations to work through but I'd say they'll seriously struggle if they get beat here.  One point after two games, a negative head to head record against Slovakia and a -2 goal difference looks like they're in a very difficult situation to me. They'll probably need a win against Wales because their goal difference won't help them in the best third place qualification group.

    Well yeah, that's what I had in mind. A win against Wales and they are guaranteed at least 3rd and almost certainly as one of the best 3rd placed teams. Personally I'd say thats a good chance for them.


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    Post by Scott_LFC on Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:11 am

    Sturridge is dat guy.

    Kane is shit. Tournament over for him, hopefully.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:22 am

    Scott_LFC wrote:Sturridge is dat guy.

    Kane is shit. Tournament over for him, hopefully.

    Agreed. So was Sterling. Hodgson would be insane to start either in their next game.

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    Post by Scott_LFC on Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:40 am

    Don't think Rooney or Alli played that well either. For the next game I'd like to see them 2 benched and replaced by Barkley and Wilshire.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:51 am

    Yeah Alli has been very disappointing. You look at the way Rashford played when he came on and that's the type of freedom and excitement people attached to Alli but he hasn't been anywhere near it. Guys on BBC said for them Rooney has been MOTM in both England's, don't think he'd been that good but he's not been outright awful either. Dier was been worse in my opinion, that goal against Russia has saved him from a lot criticism. He's lucky Roy didn't bring Drinkwater because Dier will almost always get in by default due to non-existent competition for his spot.
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    Post by Stranger on Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:18 am

    FFS Götze starting again
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    Post by Parasect on Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:18 am

    Keyser Söze wrote:Yeah Alli has been very disappointing. You look at the way Rashford played when he came on and that's the type of freedom and excitement people attached to Alli but he hasn't been anywhere near it. Guys on BBC said for them Rooney has been MOTM in both England's, don't think he'd been that good but he's not been outright awful either. Dier was been worse in my opinion, that goal against Russia has saved him from a lot criticism. He's lucky Roy didn't bring Drinkwater because Dier will almost always get in by default due to non-existent competition for his spot.
    Rooney was actually rather decent in the second half. I think the personnel chosen for the midfield is wrong though, Dier is a very medicore 'destroyer' type of midfielder who offers nothing against inferior sides. He struggles a lot because Rooney is nowhere near as dynamic or an accomplished dribbler as Dembele is, and Rooney struggles because Alli is nowhere near as dynamic as an attacking midfielder should be.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:24 am

    Everything you've said there is pretty much spot on to what I was thinking. Towards the later stages of both games when England flooded men forward and Dier was the deepest midfielder it was a struggle watching him try and pick a pass or cross. The problem with Rooney is you have a player that can offer a goal threat but one that should also be trying to pick those passes instead of Dier.

    I honestly only see players like Wilshere, Barkely or Henderson getting a chance to have meaningful impacts on games if he drops Alli. Hodgson will never be brave enough to drop Dier and go for a more positive midfielder from the start. And given how well Vardy, Sturridge and Rashford did when they came on I don't think he'll be willing to sacrifice one of those options to bring on the later trio if England are chasing a goal.
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    Post by Glen Miller on Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:40 am

    Rooney hasn't done badly-he's really done rather well.  He lacks the agility I expect from someone in midfield and he doesn't open up his body well enough, but he has shown a couple of good moments. 

    Kane has obviously been the biggest letdown.  He hasn't gotten into the penalty area enough and his set pieces are atrocious, it's embarrassing that he is taking them when Rooney has a decent history of production from them.  The two goals we scored today resulted from strikers doing everything Kane hasn't-the first came from Vardy gambling and getting into the six yard area, the second came from Sturridge continuing his run after making a pass forward.  Kane has looked static, so perhaps the defense that he is tired holds some water.  It's such a boring excuse to hear about an English player though.

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    Post by Scott_LFC on Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:38 am

    Seems like everyone is laying into Roy for the changes he's making today (Starting Hendo, Studge, Vardy, Clyne, Bertrand and Wilshere), saying it'll backfire, etc. Seen people act like swapping Walker for Clyne is akin to swapping a WC fullback for a Division 2 fullback. (Same with Rooney/Hendo).

    Really hope we smash it and win 3-0 or something with Hendo/Clyne assists/goals to shut those knobheads up.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:12 am

    When you're supporting England why would you care how well Liverpool players do? As long as they play well for Liverpool it really shouldn't matter.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:48 am

    Clyne has probably been England's best player, Henderson has been good also. Wilshere and Bertrand have been fairly awful.

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    Post by Scott_LFC on Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:32 am

    Taking Sturridge off instead of Vardy who's done nothing? Wtf.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:19 am

    Just as a set of results these group stages have been very poor for England. But going forward and looking at the draw it seems alright. Even as far as the 1/4 finals it's not too bad since it'll be France who themselves haven't looked great.
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    Post by Glen Miller on Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:22 am

    I think we are actually better suited to playing against a team like France than we would have been against Italy, the likely alternative from that situation.

    I can't believe that people are singling out Henderson today. facepalm  I thought he was punching above his weight and the overloading of our right hand side with Clyne was the only positive.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:40 am

    If it makes you guys feel any better, Allen and Ramsey were excellent for Wayuls tonight.
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    Post by Glen Miller on Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:41 am

    Team Great Britain would be quite decent.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:50 am

    Zero Scottish players, though.
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    Post by Parasect on Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:10 am

    I'm sure we could squeeze a Steven Naismith in somewhere.

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