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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:12 am

    Klopp's a wacky bullshitter who got very very lucky.  The majority of his career is consistent underachievement.  Managerial equivalent of Balotelli.

    There's only one man who is suitable for the Arsenal job.  He's the only man in English football who can boast that he overacheives relative to his budget every single year and does that with multiple clubs.  He's a man with a forceful personality that his players admire, he's an arch pragmatist who always sets up hi team to have the best possible chance of winning.  He can build a team from nothing or take an existing team and get the best out of them regardless of style, long term, short term, doesn't matter, he guarantees improvement, no excuses.  He is the polar opposite of Arsene Wenger, a hugely underrated manager who is reminiscent of Louis Van Gaal who has never been given the right opportunities because of his nationality and background.  This man is Samuel Allardyce.

    Not joking at all with this by the way, he's is easily one of the best managers in England.  He's everything people thought Moyes was before his efforts to destroy United.  Obviously it won't ever happen, Arsenal fans and Arsenal FC are far too snobbish.


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    Post by Keyser Söze on Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:23 am

    When has van Gaal never been right opportunities because of his nationality and background? He's managed Ajax (when they were big), Barc x2 a, Bayern and Holland x2. In fact he flopped at Holland and Barca yet they gave him another shot.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:32 am

    Keyser Söze wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:I don't think he'd be a very good fit for you.  He specialises in taking over teams filled with amazing players and gets them playing at an appropriate level for their talents.  Arsenal is a problem he has absolutely no experience dealing with.

    He had no experience in high level management at all yet look what he did at Barca. I think it's too early to say what Pep specialises in or not since he's only managed two teams.

    He left the best team in Europe and then joined the team who caned them 7-0.  The only surprise is that he didn't try and get the Real Madrid job this summer.  At best he's completely unproven for the job you want him for, and he'd command a colossal salary.

    Keyser Söze wrote:When has van Gaal never been right opportunities because of his nationality and background? He's managed Ajax (when they were big), Barc x2 a, Bayern and Holland x2. In fact he flopped at Holland and Barca yet they gave him another shot.

    Not him, Big Sam.  Because he's Northern and brash, not Scottish, the best jobs he can get are small clubs like Bolton (Championship when he took over, he had them pushing for the UCL, relegated to oblivion after he quit) and Blackburn (relegated after they sacked him) and fuck ups like Newcastle (relegated after sacking him) and West Ham (promoted at first attempt, doing very well now).  To consistently do so well with so many teams is amazing and can't be put down to luck, yet he gets overlooked for top jobs while cunts like Moyes, Hodgson, Dalglish, Grant, Di Matteo and Rodgers can walk into them.
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    Post by Grenade on Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:09 am

    No thanks, Brendan Rodgers and Roberto Martinez were considered overacheivers until they got jobs at relatively big clubs.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:28 am

    Keyser Söze wrote:
    The Zlatan wrote:

    I don't know about Capello, it's a risk that I don't think is particularly worth taking, especially considering the wages he would command. I don't think going from one old, out of touch manager earning an obscene amount of money to another is the step we should be taking after Wenger.

    I agree with most of what you say in that last bit, but some I disagree with. I think he's leaving a core of promising players in midfield and attack that will certainly need tweaking, but then there's the defence that comprises of Debuchy and Koscielny who are both 29 and Mertesacker, talent aside, who is 30. I can't see them forming any part of the defence in 3 seasons time. Any manager that we do bring in will have to deal with that which will set them on the back foot immediately.
    You make a very good point about his wages. If he's not willing to take a significant pay cut then he's clearly reached that stage in his career where he's in football purely for the money and we don't need that. Like you said Guardiola would be ridiculously perfect. England will be his next job and I'd say it's between us, City and United. Depending on when he leaves Bayern it could be just us and City because it seems United will stick with van Gaal for a while. No matter who's in charge of City or how well they are doing I'm 100% certain they'd sack them just to get Pep. Between us and City is a pretty tough call, if we haven't dropped off to mid table obscurity that is. At City he has those Barca links but at us he has the style of play and the tradition (which he seems to like) but it'll be the transfer ability that will sway him. He seems to get really obsessive over certain player and just has to have them at any cost, at Barca and Bayern they've been able to indulge that and City will be able to as well but I'm not sure we'll be able to and that would be a major turn off for him.

    I really don't see too much exciting young(ish) talent is our squad. We've already touched on Szczesny, Gibbs is in my opinion very average and I think he's in the team purely because he's come through the ranks. He's nothing special at all and his ability in the attacking 3rd is shockingly bad, I will say he gets in excellent positions but he's decision making and final ball is more often than not awful. Chambers has been dire this season but he is only 19 and it's his 1st season and he's been moved around a lot, Jenkinson was shit for us but has looked good at West Ham so in terms of those two I personally don't see them being of the level we need I could be woefully wrong. Ramsey and Wilshere have shown they immense talent but either has shown that they can do it consistently but I do think Wenger has done well to bring them through. Upfront Oxlade has looked good but Welbeck whilst a harder worker looks a decent player at best, not the type of striker that's going to get 15-20+ league goals a season which is what we need.  

    I think if it comes down to a war between us and City then we might as well not show up, I think the infrastructure they're building is going to become elite and that will certainly attract more and more valuable players who won't see them as a cash rich, throw money at anything that moves type of club anymore.

    I think that core of players is okay to make a base from, but it could certainly be better. The midfield could be strong, and with one or two guys in defence it could be alright, but I don't think it's good enough for new manager to come in and win a major trophy in his first season. 

    Keyser Söze wrote:
    The Zlatan wrote:Wenger seems to hate Campbell.
    Should have sold him in the summer when we were getting insane offer of the back of his WC hype. He did look a decent player out loan and at the WC but I don't know whether Wenger lack of faith in him has turned him shit or whether playing in a good team and has brought out his faults. Either way it's so retarded to actively block a player from leaving for good money and then hardly ever play him and massively bring down his value.    

    Agree completely, could have got around £15 million for him then if the rumours were to be believed, there will still be interest in him but now we'd only get just over half of that I'd say.

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Guardiola would jump at the chance to succeed Van Gaal but barring a pretty drastic change in circumstances he won't get offered it.  Our next manager will either be the Ferguson/Class of 1992 backed Ryan Giggs - or at an outside chance Gary Neville - or the David Gill/Edward Woodward backed Mourinho.  Guardiola doesn't enter the thoughts of anyone in power at United, and that's something I'm pleased about.

    I don't think he'd be a very good fit for you.  He specialises in taking over teams filled with amazing players and gets them playing at an appropriate level for their talents.  Arsenal is a problem he has absolutely no experience dealing with.

    That's something that would worry me about him, he's yet to prove that he can really build a team from scratch and then keep that team running before he bottles it or calls quits.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:30 am

    Podolski's gone now anyway, Sanogo will be next. I wonder who their replacements will be...
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:48 am

    Grenade wrote:No thanks, Brendan Rodgers and Roberto Martinez were considered overacheivers until they got jobs at relatively big clubs.

    Not really.  Rodgers achieved what he did in line with Swansea's trajectory and when he left they were fine, he was just along for the ride.  When Allardyce overachieved at Bolton and Blackburn after he left they fell into oblivion because they couldn't cope without him.  Martinez I still rate although I'm starting to have doubts.  He did get Wigan relegated and their league performance didn't particularly improve under him.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:38 am

    Alexis starting again. rofl
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    Post by Glen Miller on Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:29 am

    Alexis was tackled hard throughout the match as well, he is made of strong stuff.

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    Post by Ra's al Ghul on Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:56 am

    Can't believe Wenger sent Coquelin on loan to the second division and decided to plague us with Flamini for four months.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:14 am

    Tbf to Wenger Coquelin was one of the worst players in the Bundesliga last season, if not the worst. Granted he was played out of position as a winger/wing back.

    He wasn't great on New Years but he was pretty good today. He's good at breaking up play and pressurizing. Shame he can't pass for shit. Flamini has comfortably the highest pass completion in the PL, he's actually 0.1% off being in the top 3 in Europe. That's probably why Wenger plays him.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney on Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:23 am

    What do you guys think of Wenger continually telling all these stories about how he nearly signed Makelele, Messi, Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic, Di Maria et al? I think he's trying to portray himself as some ingenious talent spotter - note that he never mentions when he came close to signing Phil Jones - but the way I see it he's continually drawing attention to the times he's failed in the transfer market. It would piss me off big time if I were an Arsenal fan.
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    Post by Mal on Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:35 am

    Scott_LFC wrote:
    Keyser Söze wrote:Who's accepted him as a good striker?


    You should see the shit Chris is coming out with on Twitter.

    Chris G @oochriso  ·  2h
    Danny Welbeck will outscore Falcao this season. #Arsenal #COYG #WelcomeWelbeck

    Chris G @oochriso  ·  Sep 1
    I can see why United fans are upset about Welbeck. Fights for the cause, been there since he was a boy. It's like Wilshere signing for them.

    Chris G @oochriso  ·  Sep 1
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    Experienced at the highest level with a big club.

    Premier League approved.

    Homegrown.

    6'1, fast as fuck.

    #WelcomeWelbeck

    Chris G @oochriso  ·  Sep 1
    £16M for a young striker who's already put in his ground work is a pretty good deal. Welbeck could take his game to the next level at #AFC

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    If Welbeck comes in he has my backing. Has the tools to be quality.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:31 am

    Glad we turned down Manquillo because Bellerin has been immeasurably better. Bar the Stoke game he has been excellent when ever he's played.

    Akpom could have had a hattrick and he was only on for 20mins. Looks like he could be a decent player, we'll know more when he inevitably goes on loan next season.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:18 am

    Hopefully Bellerin keeps these good performances up, it'll mean we get a good fee when Barca come calling.
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    Post by vel on Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:35 am

    seems like Bellerin has the Barça DNA think
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    Post by The Zlatan on Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:05 am

    He does. Wenger poached him from La Maschildtraffickingia.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:15 pm

    I never want to see Ozil play for this club again. Say he picked up an injury in training that leaves him out for the rest of the season to limit exposure of his shitness and then try and get what we can for him in the summer. He'll eventually become a Torres/Arshavin/Shevchenko whereby he'll universale be seen as past it and worthless, we can't let that happen, we need to cash in on the "he needs time to adapt/he's being played out of position/he needs runners" nonsense that some people seem to believe while we can.

    Giroud needs to be put down. He had three very scorable headers last night that he didn't even get one target, he missed two sitters and one that I wouldn't even describe as a sitter, it was a default goal and he somehow missed it. This is the Giroud that has been at Arsenal since 2012, I'm not underrating him, it's people like Matt Barlow of the Daily Mail who after the Middlesbrough game called him "a striker that can score at will" that are peddling knee-jerk shit. Stat padding against glorified championship teams doesn't warrant the exaggerated praise Giroud has been receiving, he's Grant Holt level.


    Ospina needs to be dropped as well. Szczęsny has been our 1st choice keeper since 2010/11 and should only be displaced indefinitely by a superior GK and Ospina is not him. Since coming in he's done nothing to warrant a 1st place. He slow to react, he flat footed and he's prone to flap at crosses/shots. Szczęsny is dire in his own right but he's been punished enough and should be reinstated, perhaps he'll have a Mignolet like renaissance.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:42 am

    Sanchez was brilliant, totally molested Furlong. Bellerin was outstanding yet again, I'm amazed he's only 19, surely he's in with a chance of a YPOTY nomination.

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    Post by Ra's al Ghul on Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:03 am

    Ozil MotM.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:09 am

    Really? Why? I thought Coquelin, Bellerin and Sanchez were all better.

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    Post by Ra's al Ghul on Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:16 am

    Sanchez was kinda wasteful but obviously still had some tremendous moments (mainly later in the game, was invisible for the first half). Coquelin always does well but I thought he didn't have too much to do today. Bellerin was excellent, no doubt. Between him and Ozil for MotM. Thought Ozil did brilliantly to get us in control of the match after a difficult first half. Linked up the play brilliantly, repeatedly made the right choices in the final third and had some majestic touches throughout.

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    Post by Keyser Söze on Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:26 am

    Coquelin did excellent to handle those two oafs Henry and Sandro in the middle of the park. After Kondogbia and Wanyama bested in the past I worried he might be susceptible to big brutus, seems not. His passing was also nearly faultless, I'd be surprised if it was below something like 90%.

    No doubt Ozil played well, by far the best he and Sanchez have played together. Made for a much better attacking fluidity than in our past three games. I just thought Sanchez's endeavour was what separated them, he created a lot of chances for himself. Had it not been for Green's solid performance than he might have had a hattrick nearly all of his own doing.
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    Post by Grenade on Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:07 am

    Ozil has been a beast this year eek
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    Post by The Zlatan on Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:19 am

    So, is Coquelin officially GOAT now? His performances have been top class since he came back into the team which was a good few months ago, and he's had good performances against all teams in the top 4, so is he at the point where he's moved beyond a stop gap solution until the summer and actually a guaranteed name in the starting XI when fit?
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    Post by SBSP on Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:58 pm

    Yes

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    Post by Ra's al Ghul on Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:00 am

    Undoubtedly.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:57 am

    Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so then. I still feel we should sign another defensive minded midfielder though, Arteta's perma dead and Flamini's not really good enough. I'd like to see us sign a goalkeeper too, Hugo Lloris would be great, especially if it's true that he has a 20 million Euro buy out clause. Then just replace anyone who is sold and I think we'll be set to make a serious challenge for the league title providing this form is upheld.

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    Post by Sean on Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:27 am

    The Zlatan wrote:Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so then. I still feel we should sign another defensive minded midfielder though, Arteta's perma dead and Flamini's not really good enough. I'd like to see us sign a goalkeeper too, Hugo Lloris would be great, especially if it's true that he has a 20 million Euro buy out clause. Then just replace anyone who is sold and I think we'll be set to make a serious challenge for the league title providing this form is upheld.

    Only the 676894 time that's been said.
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    Post by The Zlatan on Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:49 am

    Damn, had my hopes set on it being only the 676845rd time.

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