The Atheist Thread

Whats your own beliefs Eternal, if you dont mind me asking?

Sean wrote:

Zzonked wrote:Become agnostic and just enjoy your life.

Ah, if t'were that easy

It is, you'll find there's far less decisions that will condemn you for eternity when you don't follow any of the religions out there.

Eternal Witcher wrote:Debatable, but you can't really examine such immaterial things. I'm still hoping a moment of realization will come upon me someday. Realisation of God, not the opposite.

Don't want to cause offence or anything, so apologies like.

But I've heard a couple of people say this in the past, I've always wondered why?

Zzonked wrote:

Sean wrote:

Ah, if t'were that easy

It is, you'll find there's far less decisions that will condemn you for eternity when you don't follow any of the religions out there.

Yea. I'd say 90% of my faith is based on fear/Pascal's wager. Not a very strong reason for following something I guess.

If it helps Sean, I take comfort in knowing that if a God does exists, then I am not to blame for my lack of faith, God is.

Sean wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

It is, you'll find there's far less decisions that will condemn you for eternity when you don't follow any of the religions out there.

Yea. I'd say 90% of my faith is based on fear/Pascal's wager. Not a very strong reason for following something I guess.

It's how it gained popularity tbh. You aren't alone in fairness.

Lu❣s Suarez wrote:If it helps Sean, I take comfort in knowing that if a God does exists, then I am not to blame for my lack of faith, God is.

Tbh, I take comfort in the fact I wouldn't want to be associated with a God that allows such evil to happen to his 'creation'.


Again, no offence to anyone, it's my opinion.

Sean wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

It is, you'll find there's far less decisions that will condemn you for eternity when you don't follow any of the religions out there.

Yea. I'd say 90% of my faith is based on fear/Pascal's wager. Not a very strong reason for following something I guess.

Learned about this in school recently so I can totally see where you are coming from and I suppose, I sort of agree with it.

Dan wrote:

Lu❣s Suarez wrote:If it helps Sean, I take comfort in knowing that if a God does exists, then I am not to blame for my lack of faith, God is.

Tbh, I take comfort in the fact I wouldn't want to be associated with a God that allows such evil to happen to his 'creation'.


Again, no offence to anyone, it's my opinion.

Meh. Free will. God doesn't control man, he only knows what they will do. (which is a contradiction with free will, but whatever, not the time for said discussion)

Natural Disasters however.....


Anyway, I meant more on the logical point of view. God if he exists, has given me my brain and knowledge and how am I to blame if I used them to determine that he doesn't exist?

Sean wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

It is, you'll find there's far less decisions that will condemn you for eternity when you don't follow any of the religions out there.

Yea. I'd say 90% of my faith is based on fear/Pascal's wager. Not a very strong reason for following something I guess.

More or less how I feel about religion too.

Dan wrote:

Lu❣s Suarez wrote:If it helps Sean, I take comfort in knowing that if a God does exists, then I am not to blame for my lack of faith, God is.

Tbh, I take comfort in the fact I wouldn't want to be associated with a God that allows such evil to happen to his 'creation'.


Again, no offence to anyone, it's my opinion.

I heard a good quote about that (paraphrased)

Is there such a thing as cold? No there is not, cold is just a term we give to the sensation of a lack of heat

Is there such a thing as darkness? No, darkness is just what we term the absence of light

Is there such a thing as immorality? No, we just judge immoral acts against our perceptions of what is moral, same with injustice.

Surely that means we can not judge a God as evil or good? Something finite, is Evil then not just an absence of good, that which results in the rejection of good, (whether 'Godly'good or not)

God gives us free will, the choice between good and to reject good

Lu❣s Suarez wrote:

Dan wrote:

Tbh, I take comfort in the fact I wouldn't want to be associated with a God that allows such evil to happen to his 'creation'.


Again, no offence to anyone, it's my opinion.

Meh. Free will. God doesn't control man, he only knows what they will do. (which is a contradiction with free will, but whatever, not the time for said discussion)

Natural Disasters however.....


Anyway, I meant more on the logical point of view. God if he exists, has given me my brain and knowledge and how am I to blame if I used them to determine that he doesn't exist?

That's more of what I mean, things beyond the control of people.

Just realized the guy who made "Pascal's Triangle" is the same guy who made "Pascal's Wager." No clue how I didn't put the pieces together tbh... Suppose a religious philosophy and math aren't something I'd think one person to specialize in.

Sean wrote:Whats your own beliefs Eternal, if you dont mind me asking?

I believe the God of the Old Testament is often falsely portrayed, and much of the Old Testament is myth. I do however believe in the incarnation. There must be a God out there, and there's a whole load of bull-shit to wade through before I can find the truth.


Can't be arsed as of now really. Hopefully I won't die too soon.

Sean wrote:

Dan wrote:

Tbh, I take comfort in the fact I wouldn't want to be associated with a God that allows such evil to happen to his 'creation'.


Again, no offence to anyone, it's my opinion.

I heard a good quote about that (paraphrased)

Is there such a thing as cold? No there is not, cold is just a term we give to the sensation of a lack of heat

Is there such a thing as darkness? No, darkness is just what we term the absence of light

Is there such a thing as immorality? No, we just judge immoral acts against our perceptions of what is moral, same with injustice.

Surely that means we can not judge a God as evil or good? Something finite, is Evil then not just an absence of good, that which results in the rejection of good, (whether 'Godly'good or not)

God gives us free will, the choice between good and to reject good

Should've explained myself better. I meant things out of the control of humans.

Dan wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:Debatable, but you can't really examine such immaterial things. I'm still hoping a moment of realization will come upon me someday. Realisation of God, not the opposite.

Don't want to cause offence or anything, so apologies like.

But I've heard a couple of people say this in the past, I've always wondered why?

Confusing. I want to know God, what I don't want to realise is that we live our lives to die, be extinguished, lose everything.If you have led a great life, great, you won't be there to remember it.

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Sean wrote:Whats your own beliefs Eternal, if you dont mind me asking?

I believe the God of the Old Testament is often falsely portrayed, and much of the Old Testament is myth. I do however believe in the incarnation. There must be a God out there, and there's a whole load of bull-shit to wade through before I can find the truth.

Well to be honest. I think the Old Testament is mostly supposed to taken with a grain of salt. You're supposed to take it metaphorically.

Plus the New Testament has been fucked with so much, even if Jesus was here and did teach, what those original messages where is anybody's guess.

Like I said, there's truth, but sure is fucking hard to find.

Jorlung wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

I believe the God of the Old Testament is often falsely portrayed, and much of the Old Testament is myth. I do however believe in the incarnation. There must be a God out there, and there's a whole load of bull-shit to wade through before I can find the truth.

Well to be honest. I think the Old Testament is mostly supposed to taken with a grain of salt. You're supposed to take it metaphorically.

A grain of salt is putting it mildly.

"Granting the existence of God, a house dedicated to Him naturally follows. He is all-important; it is fit that man should take notice of Him. But why praise and flatter Him for His unspeakable cruelties? Why forget so supinely His failures to remedy the easily remediable? Why indeed devote the churches exclusively to worship? Why not give them over, now and then, to justifiable indignation meetings? If God can hear a petition, there is no ground for holding that He would not hear a complaint. It might, indeed, please Him to find His creatures grown so self-reliant and reflective....Why hold that the God who can understand and forgive even treason could not understand and forgive remonstrance? "

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Jorlung wrote:Well to be honest. I think the Old Testament is mostly supposed to taken with a grain of salt. You're supposed to take it metaphorically.

A grain of salt is putting it mildly.

Not exactly. It means take it as if it is not entirely true, or not meant to be literal. It can be used in both contexts like to take something lightly, but that's not what I mean,

Jordo wrote:"Granting the existence of God, a house dedicated to Him naturally follows. He is all-important; it is fit that man should take notice of Him. But why praise and flatter Him for His unspeakable cruelties? Why forget so supinely His failures to remedy the easily remediable? Why indeed devote the churches exclusively to worship? Why not give them over, now and then, to justifiable indignation meetings? If God can hear a petition, there is no ground for holding that He would not hear a complaint. It might, indeed, please Him to find His creatures grown so self-reliant and reflective....Why hold that the God who can understand and forgive even treason could not understand and forgive remonstrance? "

Because God does not exist.

Seriously though, religion was there to control the masses. It wasn't meant to be dissected by intelligent minds.

Oh?

We're all just living organisms. Things on the earth, same as everything else. We're kept alive and controlled by our brains, that's key to all life form. Once your brain is damaged, stops. That's it, you're gone. You won't feel anything, you won't exist. End of story. Finito. Goodbye Vienna. Bye.

I just will not accept, you die and live on, it's beyond the realms of realism. Just like me flying out of my window now and going the shop for a loaf of bred is. It's not possible.

You can actually test to see if you can fly out a window or not. There are no experiments to test what happens after death.

ahlycotc wrote:You can actually test to see if you can fly out a window or not. There are no experiments to test what happens after death.

Well theres one..

If you were cryogenically frozen you'd effectively be dead, does that mean you'd go to heaven or hell? Ahly? Sean?